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Sun, 12 January 2014 08:41  |
Fin Beven
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My local club, the Pacific Cruisers, has very restrictive membership provisions. If you sell your GMC because of age issues you are out. If one spouse dies, and the remaining spouse cannot deal with operating issues of ownership and sells, she is out. If you sell your GMC with the intent of buying another GMC, you are out. There are no exceptions, no provisions for "guest" members, and no "associate" memberships for those who do not have GMCs.
Our "sister" club to the north, the 49ers, does have an option of an "associate" membership for those who have sold their GMC, but who have been long-term contributing members of their club, and their "associate" status is approved by 2/3rds of the members.
I understand that the Jet Setters have rather inclusive membership provisions.
Could any of you help me with provisions your clubs have used to retain as members those who, for whatever reason, have contributed much to the club, but have sold their GMC ?
Thanks, in advance.
Fin Beven
1976 ex-Edgemont
Pasadena, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #235989 is a reply to message #235925] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 17:50  |
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Fin,
This question is very hard to answer publically and not upset members / board of the Pacific Cruisers. I have sent you an OFF NET
reply.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fin Beven
My local club, the Pacific Cruisers, has very restrictive membership provisions. If you sell your GMC because of age issues you
are out. If one spouse dies, and the remaining spouse cannot deal with operating issues of ownership and sells, she is out. If
you sell your GMC with the intent of buying another GMC, you are out. There are no exceptions, no provisions for "guest" members,
and no "associate" memberships for those who do not have GMCs.
Our "sister" club to the north, the 49ers, does have an option of an "associate" membership for those who have sold their GMC, but
who have been long-term contributing members of their club, and their "associate" status is approved by 2/3rds of the members.
I understand that the Jet Setters have rather inclusive membership provisions.
Could any of you help me with provisions your clubs have used to retain as members those who, for whatever reason, have contributed
much to the club, but have sold their GMC ?
Thanks, in advance.
Fin
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #235995 is a reply to message #235964] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 18:28 |
Fin Beven
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Dan ....
Fortunately the rule has no effect on me.
But I am on a mission to change the rules.
Even Duane Simmons' widow, Billie, could not continue as a
pacific Cruisers member when she sold their GMC after he died.
And to us, he was "Mr. Onan", and they had contributed to our club since long before me.
Fin Beven
On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:50 PM, "Dan Gregg" <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Well Fin, if you are selling out, maybe you can talk them into making exceptions for vdub bus owners.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #235998 is a reply to message #235960] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 18:39 |
Fin Beven
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Jim, thanks. I am the club Treasurer, and therefore on the board.
As part of my quest to alter our rules I am trying to offer examples from around the larger GMC family that might offer guidance and options.
I have watched long-term members be "terminated", often for reasons way beyond their ability to control. It saddens me.
The board has suggested that I offer options, so I am trying to give as much information as possible.
Again, thank you.
Fin
On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:05 PM, "Jim Galbavy" <j.galbavy@att.net> wrote:
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> Fin,
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> Each club be it local, regional, or international have as a
> little bit different make up and slant. Some are strictly GMC technical and some are social, and with others a mix in between. If you feel a change is in order then maybe you should feel out the general membership. If a majority agree with you then you should present the change to the club board. Remember the board is there to represent you the general membership and guide the club along.
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> jim galbavy
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> '73 x-CL ANNIE
> Lake Mary, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #236005 is a reply to message #235989] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 19:22 |
Fin Beven
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Rob ....
I have always appreciated your opinions.
As stated, our club has no provisions for dealing with any member if they sell their GMC. Age or death is no excuse. Even those who have given greatly to the club over countless years are excluded unless they presently own a GMC.
Yes, a member could theoretically invite them as as a guest, but there are no provisions in our "rules" dealing with this.
As I wrote earlier, I am the club Treasurer and on the Board. They have encouraged me to explore options. I am trying to collect data to convince them that the club would be better served by a more inclusive policy.
The past members of this club who have been excluded by these rules makes me sad.
Fin Beven
On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:50 PM, "Robert Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Fin,
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> This question is very hard to answer publically and not upset members / board of the Pacific Cruisers. I have sent you an OFF NET
> reply.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fin Beven
>
> My local club, the Pacific Cruisers, has very restrictive membership provisions. If you sell your GMC because of age issues you
> are out. If one spouse dies, and the remaining spouse cannot deal with operating issues of ownership and sells, she is out. If
> you sell your GMC with the intent of buying another GMC, you are out. There are no exceptions, no provisions for "guest" members,
> and no "associate" memberships for those who do not have GMCs.
>
> Our "sister" club to the north, the 49ers, does have an option of an "associate" membership for those who have sold their GMC, but
> who have been long-term contributing members of their club, and their "associate" status is approved by 2/3rds of the members.
>
> I understand that the Jet Setters have rather inclusive membership provisions.
>
> Could any of you help me with provisions your clubs have used to retain as members those who, for whatever reason, have contributed
> much to the club, but have sold their GMC ?
>
> Thanks, in advance.
>
> Fin
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #236015 is a reply to message #236012] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 19:59 |
Sammy Williams
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Simple. Change the rules.
"If you owned a GMC period, regardless of what you do with it, you may be a
member for as long as you wish."
Looks good to me.
Sammy
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 7:54 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> Fin Beven wrote on Sun, 12 January 2014 19:22
> > Rob ....
> >
> > I have always appreciated your opinions.
> >
> > As stated, our club has no provisions for dealing with any member if
> they sell their GMC. Age or death is no excuse. Even those who have
> given greatly to the club over countless years are excluded unless they
> presently own a GMC.
> >
> > Yes, a member could theoretically invite them as as a guest, but there
> are no provisions in our "rules" dealing with this.
> >
> > As I wrote earlier, I am the club Treasurer and on the Board. They
> have encouraged me to explore options. I am trying to collect data to
> convince them that the club would be better served by a more inclusive
> policy.
> >
> > The past members of this club who have been excluded by these rules
> makes me sad.
> >
> > Fin Beven
> What is the definition of "own"?
>
> A lot of people keep their GMCs someplace other than their own property,
> such as a storage lot.
>
> A lot of club members might have their GMCs in various states of
> repair/disrepair/pending restoration, etc.
>
> Some may begin dismantling their's for parts.
>
> How many parts have to be missing before it ceases to be a GMC motorhome?
>
> To cut to the chase, does possesion of the VIN plate off the firewall
> constitute ownership?
>
> There are always GMCs being reduced to scrap (sadly). So why not just
> provide VIN plates from scrapped GMCs to those valued ex-owners and keep
> them on the roster?
> --
> '73 23' Sequoia For Sale
> '73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
> UA (Upper Alabama)
> CanyonLands most likely for a parts coach. Sequoia being restored to
> service.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #236017 is a reply to message #236015] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 20:09 |
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I used to belong to a few sports car clubs ... and to attract and retain members and maintain the community, many clubs use this language ...
"Those who own _______ , are interested in them, or wish to preserve the legacy of the marque and the community are eligible for membership or associate membership, at their option. Associate members will have all the rights and privilieges of membership except voting."
Perhaps this will this work for you.
Caspar Dioge
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #236018 is a reply to message #236015] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 20:10 |
Fin Beven
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Sammy .... You are right. The "cure" is easy. All it takes is the "willingness" from the board.
I am there to encourage them to do what i think is the right thing, to hold on to those who haven done so much for the club.
Fin Beven
On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:59 PM, "Sammy Williams" <bd5av8r@gmail.com> wrote:
> Simple. Change the rules.
>
> "If you owned a GMC period, regardless of what you do with it, you may be a
> member for as long as you wish."
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> Looks good to me.
>
> Sammy
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> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 7:54 PM, A. <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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>> Fin Beven wrote on Sun, 12 January 2014 19:22
>>> Rob ....
>>>
>>> I have always appreciated your opinions.
>>>
>>> As stated, our club has no provisions for dealing with any member if
>> they sell their GMC. Age or death is no excuse. Even those who have
>> given greatly to the club over countless years are excluded unless they
>> presently own a GMC.
>>>
>>> Yes, a member could theoretically invite them as as a guest, but there
>> are no provisions in our "rules" dealing with this.
>>>
>>> As I wrote earlier, I am the club Treasurer and on the Board. They
>> have encouraged me to explore options. I am trying to collect data to
>> convince them that the club would be better served by a more inclusive
>> policy.
>>>
>>> The past members of this club who have been excluded by these rules
>> makes me sad.
>>>
>>> Fin Beven
>> What is the definition of "own"?
>>
>> A lot of people keep their GMCs someplace other than their own property,
>> such as a storage lot.
>>
>> A lot of club members might have their GMCs in various states of
>> repair/disrepair/pending restoration, etc.
>>
>> Some may begin dismantling their's for parts.
>>
>> How many parts have to be missing before it ceases to be a GMC motorhome?
>>
>> To cut to the chase, does possesion of the VIN plate off the firewall
>> constitute ownership?
>>
>> There are always GMCs being reduced to scrap (sadly). So why not just
>> provide VIN plates from scrapped GMCs to those valued ex-owners and keep
>> them on the roster?
>> --
>> '73 23' Sequoia For Sale
>> '73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
>> UA (Upper Alabama)
>> CanyonLands most likely for a parts coach. Sequoia being restored to
>> service.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #236019 is a reply to message #236017] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 20:12 |
Bruce Hart
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Buy one of these:-)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-HOTWHEELS-RETRO-ENTERTAINMENT-STRIPES-GMC-MOTORHOME-MINT-VHTF-BRAND-NEW-/161193736490?pt=Diecast_Vehicles&hash=item25 87e5392a
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Caspar Dioge <radiohound@aol.com> wrote:
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>
> I used to belong to a few sports car clubs ... and to attract and retain
> members and maintain the community, many clubs use this language ...
>
> "Those who own _______ , are interested in them, or wish to preserve the
> legacy of the marque and the community are eligible for membership or
> associate membership, at their option. Associate members will have all the
> rights and privilieges of membership except voting."
>
> Perhaps this will this work for you.
>
> --
> Caspar Dioge
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #236020 is a reply to message #236012] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 20:15 |
Fin Beven
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"A" ....
I think it will be better to adapt the rules. I don't think we have any ex-members who have enough "parts" to attempt continuing membership with a carb and a VIN nimber.
Mostly this is about honoring long-time members who for life or health reasons .... No longer do.
Fin Beven
On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:54 PM, "A." <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:
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> Fin Beven wrote on Sun, 12 January 2014 19:22
>> Rob ....
>>
>> I have always appreciated your opinions.
>>
>> As stated, our club has no provisions for dealing with any member if they sell their GMC. Age or death is no excuse. Even those who have given greatly to the club over countless years are excluded unless they presently own a GMC.
>>
>> Yes, a member could theoretically invite them as as a guest, but there are no provisions in our "rules" dealing with this.
>>
>> As I wrote earlier, I am the club Treasurer and on the Board. They have encouraged me to explore options. I am trying to collect data to convince them that the club would be better served by a more inclusive policy.
>>
>> The past members of this club who have been excluded by these rules makes me sad.
>>
>> Fin Beven
> What is the definition of "own"?
>
> A lot of people keep their GMCs someplace other than their own property, such as a storage lot.
>
> A lot of club members might have their GMCs in various states of repair/disrepair/pending restoration, etc.
>
> Some may begin dismantling their's for parts.
>
> How many parts have to be missing before it ceases to be a GMC motorhome?
>
> To cut to the chase, does possesion of the VIN plate off the firewall constitute ownership?
>
> There are always GMCs being reduced to scrap (sadly). So why not just provide VIN plates from scrapped GMCs to those valued ex-owners and keep them on the roster?
> --
> '73 23' Sequoia For Sale
> '73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
> UA (Upper Alabama)
> CanyonLands most likely for a parts coach. Sequoia being restored to service.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #236031 is a reply to message #235925] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 21:00 |
Dennis S
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Fin,
I would suggest you use the GMC links on GMCMI.com to the various regional clubs and read their by-laws.
Here are links to two, Dixielanders and Classics, as examples and both have provision for "Associate" membership.
http://www.gmcdixielanders.org/Bylaws.pdf
http://www.gmcclassics.com/docs/Classics_ByLaws.pdf
Good luck,
Dennis
| Fin Beven wrote on Sun, 12 January 2014 08:41 |
My local club, the Pacific Cruisers, has very restrictive membership provisions. If you sell your GMC because of age issues you are out. If one spouse dies, and the remaining spouse cannot deal with operating issues of ownership and sells, she is out. If you sell your GMC with the intent of buying another GMC, you are out. There are no exceptions, no provisions for "guest" members, and no "associate" memberships for those who do not have GMCs.
Our "sister" club to the north, the 49ers, does have an option of an "associate" membership for those who have sold their GMC, but who have been long-term contributing members of their club, and their "associate" status is approved by 2/3rds of the members.
I understand that the Jet Setters have rather inclusive membership provisions.
Could any of you help me with provisions your clubs have used to retain as members those who, for whatever reason, have contributed much to the club, but have sold their GMC ?
Thanks, in advance.
Fin Beven
1976 ex-Edgemont
Pasadena, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #236033 is a reply to message #236031] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 21:06 |
Fin Beven
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Dennis .... Excellent references. Thanks.
Fin Beven
On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:00 PM, "Dennis Sexton" <dennisfsexton@aol.com> wrote:
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>
> Fin,
>
> I would suggest you use the GMC links on GMCMI.com to the various regional clubs and read their by-laws.
>
> Here are links to two, Dixielanders and Classics, as examples and both have provision for "Associate" membership.
>
> http://www.gmcdixielanders.org/Bylaws.pdf
>
> http://www.gmcclassics.com/docs/Classics_ByLaws.pdf
>
>
> Good luck,
> Dennis
>
>
>
> Fin Beven wrote on Sun, 12 January 2014 08:41
>> My local club, the Pacific Cruisers, has very restrictive membership provisions. If you sell your GMC because of age issues you are out. If one spouse dies, and the remaining spouse cannot deal with operating issues of ownership and sells, she is out. If you sell your GMC with the intent of buying another GMC, you are out. There are no exceptions, no provisions for "guest" members, and no "associate" memberships for those who do not have GMCs.
>>
>> Our "sister" club to the north, the 49ers, does have an option of an "associate" membership for those who have sold their GMC, but who have been long-term contributing members of their club, and their "associate" status is approved by 2/3rds of the members.
>>
>> I understand that the Jet Setters have rather inclusive membership provisions.
>>
>> Could any of you help me with provisions your clubs have used to retain as members those who, for whatever reason, have contributed much to the club, but have sold their GMC ?
>>
>> Thanks, in advance.
>>
>> Fin Beven
>> 1976 ex-Edgemont
>> Pasadena, CA
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> 73 Painted Desert 230
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| Re: [GMCnet] Local club membership [message #236037 is a reply to message #236005] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 21:53 |
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Fin,
Thank you for your compliment.
Since you have explained the situation a bit further I'll be happy to comment.
At the end of the day the GMC is just an inanimate object.
People and friendships they form make life worthwhile, inanimate objects do not.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fin
Rob ....
I have always appreciated your opinions.
As stated, our club has no provisions for dealing with any member if they sell their GMC. Age or death is no excuse. Even those
who have given greatly to the club over countless years are excluded unless they presently own a GMC.
Yes, a member could theoretically invite them as as a guest, but there are no provisions in our "rules" dealing with this.
As I wrote earlier, I am the club Treasurer and on the Board. They have encouraged me to explore options. I am trying to collect
data to convince them that the club would be better served by a more inclusive policy.
The past members of this club who have been excluded by these rules makes me sad.
Fin Beven
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