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New LED front turn lights not working right... [message #355942] |
Sun, 21 June 2020 09:12  |
Shawn Bennear
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I recently installed a set of front LED parking/turn signal lights... I am having a wee bit of an issue, as follows...
during the day the turn signals work perfectly fine. turn on the parking lights, and that's all I have. no more turn signals. I do have the electronic flasher installed, and they work fine during the day. turn the lights on, shows over.
Trying to figure out whats wrong with it. Do I need to hard wire instead of using the socket?
http://www.gmcmotorhomeworld.com
1977 Palm Beach, 403 V8 w headers.
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Re: New LED front turn lights not working right... [message #355945 is a reply to message #355942] |
Sun, 21 June 2020 15:43   |
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Matt Colie
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Shawn Bennear wrote on Sun, 21 June 2020 10:12I recently installed a set of front LED parking/turn signal lights... I am having a wee bit of an issue, as follows...
during the day the turn signals work perfectly fine. turn on the parking lights, and that's all I have. no more turn signals. I do have the electronic flasher installed, and they work fine during the day. turn the lights on, shows over.
Trying to figure out whats wrong with it. Do I need to hard wire instead of using the socket?
Shawn,
Be patient, I am sure we can figure this out.
Did you install a single replacement for 1157 LED in an OE front marker / signal light housing?
You say it works with the marker lights off, but please give a better description of what happens when you turn on the marker lights.
Do the lights come on and stay on (on, but no flash)?
Or, do you just get nothing?
There is a very high (outrageously high) probability that there is a bad ground in the marker light assembly. I have had to build in a new ground on all of mine.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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Re: New LED front turn lights not working right... [message #355966 is a reply to message #355945] |
Sun, 21 June 2020 20:28   |
Shawn Bennear
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Matt Colie wrote on Sun, 21 June 2020 16:43Shawn Bennear wrote on Sun, 21 June 2020 10:12I recently installed a set of front LED parking/turn signal lights... I am having a wee bit of an issue, as follows...
during the day the turn signals work perfectly fine. turn on the parking lights, and that's all I have. no more turn signals. I do have the electronic flasher installed, and they work fine during the day. turn the lights on, shows over.
Trying to figure out whats wrong with it. Do I need to hard wire instead of using the socket?
Shawn,
Be patient, I am sure we can figure this out.
Did you install a single replacement for 1157 LED in an OE front marker / signal light housing?
You say it works with the marker lights off, but please give a better description of what happens when you turn on the marker lights.
Do the lights come on and stay on (on, but no flash)?
Or, do you just get nothing?
There is a very high (outrageously high) probability that there is a bad ground in the marker light assembly. I have had to build in a new ground on all of mine.
Matt
Matt, No, I installed the whole complete one with about 30 led's in it on a circuit board...
http://www.gmcmotorhomeworld.com
1977 Palm Beach, 403 V8 w headers.
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Re: New LED front turn lights not working right... [message #355972 is a reply to message #355942] |
Sun, 21 June 2020 23:51   |
bwevers
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The 1975 schematic shows two circuits with 1157 bulb. The park
light filament is wired to the same circuit as the side marker lights.
The park lights are low intensity filament (purple wire).
The turn signal is wired (blue wire) to the high intensity filament.
Maybe the two input wires to the new LED lights are swapped so
that you always have high intensity when the park lights are on.
And the turn signals are low intensity.
Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
455 F Block, G heads
San Jose
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Re: New LED front turn lights not working right... [message #355974 is a reply to message #355966] |
Mon, 22 June 2020 07:25   |
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Matt Colie
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Shawn Bennear wrote on Sun, 21 June 2020 21:28Matt Colie wrote on Sun, 21 June 2020 16:43Shawn Bennear wrote on Sun, 21 June 2020 10:12I recently installed a set of front LED parking/turn signal lights... I am having a wee bit of an issue, as follows...
during the day the turn signals work perfectly fine. turn on the parking lights, and that's all I have. no more turn signals. I do have the electronic flasher installed, and they work fine during the day. turn the lights on, shows over.
Trying to figure out whats wrong with it. Do I need to hard wire instead of using the socket?
Shawn,
Be patient, I am sure we can figure this out.
Did you install a single replacement for 1157 LED in an OE front marker / signal light housing?
You say it works with the marker lights off, but please give a better description of what happens when you turn on the marker lights.
Do the lights come on and stay on (on, but no flash)?
Or, do you just get nothing?
There is a very high (outrageously high) probability that there is a bad ground in the marker light assembly. I have had to build in a new ground on all of mine.
Matt
Matt, No, I installed the whole complete one with about 30 led's in it on a circuit board...
Shawn,
That is a nice looking part, but you still did not completely describe the issue:
Do the lights come on and stay on (on, but no flash)?
Or, do you just get nothing?
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: New LED front turn lights not working right... [message #355980 is a reply to message #355974] |
Mon, 22 June 2020 09:44   |
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Tom Lins
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Matt Colie wrote on Mon, 22 June 2020 08:25Shawn Bennear wrote on Sun, 21 June 2020 21:28Matt Colie wrote on Sun, 21 June 2020 16:43Shawn Bennear wrote on Sun, 21 June 2020 10:12I recently installed a set of front LED parking/turn signal lights... I am having a wee bit of an issue, as follows...
during the day the turn signals work perfectly fine. turn on the parking lights, and that's all I have. no more turn signals. I do have the electronic flasher installed, and they work fine during the day. turn the lights on, shows over.
Trying to figure out whats wrong with it. Do I need to hard wire instead of using the socket?
Shawn,
Be patient, I am sure we can figure this out.
Did you install a single replacement for 1157 LED in an OE front marker / signal light housing?
You say it works with the marker lights off, but please give a better description of what happens when you turn on the marker lights.
Do the lights come on and stay on (on, but no flash)?
Or, do you just get nothing?
There is a very high (outrageously high) probability that there is a bad ground in the marker light assembly. I have had to build in a new ground on all of mine.
Matt
Matt, No, I installed the whole complete one with about 30 led's in it on a circuit board...
Shawn,
That is a nice looking part, but you still did not completely describe the issue:
Do the lights come on and stay on (on, but no flash)?
Or, do you just get nothing?
Matt
If I remember correctly there is an issue with using LEDs in the turn signal/front marker light circuit.
The side marker light gets it's ground from the filament of the front turn bulb and the LED will not allow the reverse path like a incandescent blub will.
Look thru the archives I think there is a solution there.
Tom Lins
St Augustine, FL
77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag Suspension Solar Panel
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Re: New LED front turn lights not working right... [message #369363 is a reply to message #355942] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 14:21   |
JohnL455
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Bruce that one gets ‘em every time. The GM engineer design parameters were not for LEDs at some future date. Right up there with the designed high blower over voltage trick by design. Me, I’m fine with incandescent lamps in classic vehicles and love the warm look.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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[GMCnet] Re: New LED front turn lights not working right... [message #369364 is a reply to message #369363] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 14:51   |
James Hupy
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I got an education on polarity when I converted my GMC 78 Royale's
clearance lights on the roof. I bought all new led lights and hooked one of
them up and turned the power on, and nada, nuttin', and scratched my head
and exclaimed Wth!. So, out comes my trusty Fluke 77 and it told me the
story. No rhyme or reason to the wiring. Polarity on all of them was
different. So, turn on the power, check the polarity, hook up the led,
repeat x 10. Same is true throughout the whole 12 volt system in the coach.
Incandescent's don't care about polarity. Led's definitely do. Now I check
first, then proceed.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 12:21 PM John R. Lebetski
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> Bruce that one gets ‘em every time. The GM engineer design parameters
> were not for LEDs at some future date. Right up there with the designed high
> blower over voltage trick by design. Me, I’m fine with incandescent lamps
> in classic vehicles and love the warm look.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
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Re: [GMCnet] Re: New LED front turn lights not working right... [message #369366 is a reply to message #369364] |
Sat, 02 April 2022 16:05  |
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Matt Colie
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James Hupy wrote on Sat, 02 April 2022 15:51I got an education on polarity when I converted my GMC 78 Royale's clearance lights on the roof. I bought all new led lights and hooked one of them up and turned the power on, and nada, nuttin', and scratched my head and exclaimed Wth!. So, out comes my trusty Fluke 77 and it told me the story. No rhyme or reason to the wiring. Polarity on all of them was different. So, turn on the power, check the polarity, hook up the led, repeat x 10. Same is true throughout the whole 12 volt system in the coach.
Incandescent's don't care about polarity. Led's definitely do. Now I check first, then proceed.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
Fortunately, when I mounted the first of the LED clearance lights, I turned it on because I was curious what it would like like. It didn't. Also fortunate was that was one of the few where I could get to the connectors. So I reversed the polarity and it looked good. I mounted the other nine powered up.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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