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WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249183]

Fri, 09 May 2014 00:50

appie

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A fellow gmc owner in Germany asked about the wheelnut torque The manual states 250 ft/pnd

It seems like a lot of torque What do you use?

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Re: WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249184 is a reply to message #249183]

Fri, 09 May 2014 01:52

peter bailey

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As much strength that I can apply with a bar about 14" long and I bet that would not be 250 ft/lbs.
I figure there are 8 nuts so that should hold the wheel sufficiently and remember that you may have to undo the nuts on the side of the road and you will not have a rattle gun or a 6ft length of pipe which is what I would need to get 250 ft/lbs.
Peter Bailey
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Re: WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249187 is a reply to message #249184]

Fri, 09 May 2014 03:51

Ken Burton

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250 is correct because of the large flat washer built as part of the nut. This washer requires additional torque to overcome the additional friction of the washer. That said, a lot of people use a lower setting. I never did when I had steel wheels.

Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249222 is a reply to message #249184]

Fri, 09 May 2014 04:02

USAussie

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G'day,

Back on September 20, 2012 in Forum Message #185150 I noted; "The manual is incorrect and was revised to one hundred and fifty foot
pounds (150)."

Rick Denny commented "Which is a reasonable number when you use anti-sieze lubricant, which you should."

Unfortunately I NOW have a problem with that statement because I wanted to provide a source for my statement and I can't seem to
find out WHERE I got 150 foot pounds from. I checked MM X-7625, MM X-7725 and the Wheel and Tire Service Bulletins and found NADA!

Anybody got any ideas where I might have found that info!

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bailey

As much strength that I can apply with a bar about 14" long and I bet that would not be 250 ft/lbs.
I figure there are 8 nuts so that should hold the wheel sufficiently and remember that you may have to undo the nuts on the side of
the road and you
will not have a rattle gun or a 6ft length of pipe which is what I would need to get 250 ft/lbs.
Peter

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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249224 is a reply to message #249222]

Fri, 09 May 2014 04:16

USAussie

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G'day,

I'm going to answer my own question! I did some more digging and found this:

Wheel lug nut torque
- Use torque wrench @ 130-150 fi-lbs in sequence
- Not maint. Manual value (250 ft-lbs): studs will stretch & break
- Radial wheels only w/radial tires

Which was in a document entitled:

WHAT EVERY GMC OWNER SHOULD KNOW by Dwayne Simmons and can be found here:

http://gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/required_gmc_knowledge/required_gmc_info.html

That's good enough for me!

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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G'day,

Back on September 20, 2012 in Forum Message #185150 I noted; "The manual is incorrect and was revised to one hundred and fifty foot
pounds (150)."

Rick Denny commented "Which is a reasonable number when you use anti-sieze lubricant, which you should."

Unfortunately I NOW have a problem with that statement because I wanted to provide a source for my statement and I can't seem to
find out WHERE I got 150 foot pounds from. I checked MM X-7625, MM X-7725 and the Wheel and Tire Service Bulletins and found NADA!

Anybody got any ideas where I might have found that info!

Regards,
Rob M.

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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249286 is a reply to message #249183]

Fri, 09 May 2014 17:13

k2gkk

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Isn't that the torque for the OEM, hub-centered, steel wheels?

I think the going recommendation for alloy wheels is 150 ft/lb.

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> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 23:50:23 -0600
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: lenze@middelberg.dk
> Subject: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE
>
> A fellow gmc owner in Germany asked about the wheelnut torque The manual states 250 ft/pnd
>
> It seems like a lot of torque What do you use?
> --
> Appie
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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249288 is a reply to message #249286]

Fri, 09 May 2014 19:02

larry.whisler

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Are we talking about axle nuts? or wheel lug nuts?

The axle nut has a range of about 130/140-240 ft lbs.

I think the procedure for the axle nut is to tighten to
the 130/140 ft. lbs. After that torque is achieved, the
castellated nut is tightened further to align the cotter
pin with the hole in the axle.

This is my opinion and I am open to further suggestions.

larry

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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249289 is a reply to message #249288]

Fri, 09 May 2014 19:05

Sammy Williams

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What does GM use on its 1 ton pickups....id imagine it would be close to
the motorhome Sammy Williams
On May 9, 2014 7:02 PM, "larry.whisler" wrote:

> Are we talking about axle nuts? or wheel lug nuts?
>
> The axle nut has a range of about 130/140-240 ft lbs.
>
> I think the procedure for the axle nut is to tighten to
> the 130/140 ft. lbs. After that torque is achieved, the
> castellated nut is tightened further to align the cotter
> pin with the hole in the axle.
>
> This is my opinion and I am open to further suggestions.
>
> larry
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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249290 is a reply to message #249289]

Fri, 09 May 2014 19:52

Loffen

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I guess I was not so far off then Appie Wink

1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green, And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel in Norway

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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249291 is a reply to message #249288]

Fri, 09 May 2014 19:57

Mr ERFisher

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There is this
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/?m=1

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On May 9, 2014, at 5:02 PM, larry.whisler wrote:

> Are we talking about axle nuts? or wheel lug nuts?
>
> The axle nut has a range of about 130/140-240 ft lbs.
>
> I think the procedure for the axle nut is to tighten to
> the 130/140 ft. lbs. After that torque is achieved, the
> castellated nut is tightened further to align the cotter
> pin with the hole in the axle.
>
> This is my opinion and I am open to further suggestions.
>
> larry
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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249292 is a reply to message #249291]

Fri, 09 May 2014 20:01

Mr ERFisher

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Link links links
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lEupyENLbgU/Uy7MI7UrTBI/AAAAAAAATXM/psBILz9yb5M/s1600/bearing+torque.jpg

On Friday, May 9, 2014, Mr.erf wrote:

> There is this
> http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/?m=1
>
>
> FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 9, 2014, at 5:02 PM, larry.whisler
> wrote:
>
> Are we talking about axle nuts? or wheel lug nuts?
>
> The axle nut has a range of about 130/140-240 ft lbs.
>
> I think the procedure for the axle nut is to tighten to
> the 130/140 ft. lbs. After that torque is achieved, the
> castellated nut is tightened further to align the cotter
> pin with the hole in the axle.
>
> This is my opinion and I am open to further suggestions.
>
> larry
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Re: WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249302 is a reply to message #249183]

Sat, 10 May 2014 01:52

appie

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Sorry to have been unprecise in my discription
We are talking wheel lugnuts for steel wheels with radial tires

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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249304 is a reply to message #249224]

Sat, 10 May 2014 06:31

Mr ERFisher

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then i guess Rob has the answer
erf

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Robert Mueller wrote:

> G'day,
>
> I'm going to answer my own question! I did some more digging and found
> this:
>
> Wheel lug nut torque
> - Use torque wrench @ 130-150 fi-lbs in sequence
> - Not maint. Manual value (250 ft-lbs): studs will stretch & break
> - Radial wheels only w/radial tires
>
> Which was in a document entitled:
>
> WHAT EVERY GMC OWNER SHOULD KNOW by Dwayne Simmons and can be found here:
>
>
> http://gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/required_gmc_knowledge/required_gmc_info.html
>
> That's good enough for me!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert Mueller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 7:02 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE
>
> G'day,
>
> Back on September 20, 2012 in Forum Message #185150 I noted; "The manual
> is incorrect and was revised to one hundred and fifty foot
> pounds (150)."
>
> Rick Denny commented "Which is a reasonable number when you use anti-sieze
> lubricant, which you should."
>
> Unfortunately I NOW have a problem with that statement because I wanted to
> provide a source for my statement and I can't seem to
> find out WHERE I got 150 foot pounds from. I checked MM X-7625, MM X-7725
> and the Wheel and Tire Service Bulletins and found NADA!
>
> Anybody got any ideas where I might have found that info!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249312 is a reply to message #249304]

Sat, 10 May 2014 09:23

USAussie

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Gene,

I got an OFF NET comment from a long time GMC owner who is technically savvy expressing concern that 150 ft lb might be too low and
that he felt 185 ft lb would be better.

I decided that it might be a good idea to reach a consensus so I sent in the Lug nut / Wheel nut Torque email requesting comments.

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: gene Fisher

then i guess Rob has the answer
erf

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Robert Mueller wrote:

> G'day,
>
> I'm going to answer my own question! I did some more digging and found
> this:
>
> Wheel lug nut torque
> - Use torque wrench @ 130-150 fi-lbs in sequence
> - Not maint. Manual value (250 ft-lbs): studs will stretch & break
> - Radial wheels only w/radial tires
>
> Which was in a document entitled:
>
> WHAT EVERY GMC OWNER SHOULD KNOW by Dwayne Simmons and can be found here:
>
> http://gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/required_gmc_knowledge/required_gmc_info.html
>
> That's good enough for me!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.

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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249314 is a reply to message #249312]

Sat, 10 May 2014 09:35

Mr ERFisher

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I have never, never heard of a lug nut coming off

or loose

i would do 140 and forget it.....

but, this new bunch, have to rehash it again

good work
erf

On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Robert Mueller wrote:

> Gene,
>
> I got an OFF NET comment from a long time GMC owner who is technically
> savvy expressing concern that 150 ft lb might be too low and
> that he felt 185 ft lb would be better.
>
> I decided that it might be a good idea to reach a consensus so I sent in
> the Lug nut / Wheel nut Torque email requesting comments.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gene Fisher
>
> then i guess Rob has the answer
> erf
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Robert Mueller > wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> I'm going to answer my own question! I did some more digging and found
>> this:
>>
>> Wheel lug nut torque
>> - Use torque wrench @ 130-150 fi-lbs in sequence
>> - Not maint. Manual value (250 ft-lbs): studs will stretch & break
>> - Radial wheels only w/radial tires
>>
>> Which was in a document entitled:
>>
>> WHAT EVERY GMC OWNER SHOULD KNOW by Dwayne Simmons and can be found here:
>>
>>
> http://gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/required_gmc_knowledge/required_gmc_info.html
>>
>> That's good enough for me!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249315 is a reply to message #249314]

Sat, 10 May 2014 09:47

USAussie

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Gene,

Please "say" the same thing over on the Lug nut / Wheel nut Torque email. When Yanks want to search for the info 5 will get you 10
they'll call them lug nuts! ;-)

Appie, no criticism meant!

Regards,
Rob M.
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-----Original Message-----
From: gene Fisher

I have never, never heard of a lug nut coming off

or loose

i would do 140 and forget it.....

but, this new bunch, have to rehash it again

good work
erf

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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249316 is a reply to message #249314]

Sat, 10 May 2014 09:47

James Hupy

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There will always be conflicting opinions on lug nut/stud torque values. A
9/16" grade 8 wheel stud is definitely over torqued at 250 foot pounds
regardless of what kind of nut is used. With eight such studs securing a
steel wheel the combined clamping force is enormous. Any fastener stretched
beyond it's point of maximum elasticity is being set up to fail at some
point. There are a number of errors in manuals printed by GM and I believe
that this is one of them that slipped by the technical proofreaders whose
job it is to catch these errors. Just what I think. Your opinion may vary.
(Grin)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On May 10, 2014 7:35 AM, "gene Fisher" wrote:

> I have never, never heard of a lug nut coming off
>
> or loose
>
> i would do 140 and forget it.....
>
> but, this new bunch, have to rehash it again
>
> good work
> erf
>
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Robert Mueller > wrote:
>
>> Gene,
>>
>> I got an OFF NET comment from a long time GMC owner who is technically
>> savvy expressing concern that 150 ft lb might be too low and
>> that he felt 185 ft lb would be better.
>>
>> I decided that it might be a good idea to reach a consensus so I sent in
>> the Lug nut / Wheel nut Torque email requesting comments.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> Sydney, Australia
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gene Fisher
>>
>> then i guess Rob has the answer
>> erf
>>
>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Robert Mueller >> wrote:
>>
>>> G'day,
>>>
>>> I'm going to answer my own question! I did some more digging and found
>>> this:
>>>
>>> Wheel lug nut torque
>>> - Use torque wrench @ 130-150 fi-lbs in sequence
>>> - Not maint. Manual value (250 ft-lbs): studs will stretch & break
>>> - Radial wheels only w/radial tires
>>>
>>> Which was in a document entitled:
>>>
>>> WHAT EVERY GMC OWNER SHOULD KNOW by Dwayne Simmons and can be found
> here:
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/required_gmc_knowledge/required_gmc_info.html
>>>
>>> That's good enough for me!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249326 is a reply to message #249315]

Sat, 10 May 2014 13:36

appie

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Rob. I do not understand a word of what write

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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249333 is a reply to message #249326]

Sat, 10 May 2014 16:59

USAussie

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Appie,

In the USA "wheel nuts" are commonly called "lug nuts."

Referring to them as "wheel nuts" confused people and they responded with comments about the axle / spindle nuts.

I started another message entitled Lug nut / Wheel nut Torque and have suggested people respond to that message for two reasons; (A)
to eliminate the confusion and (B) when someone searched the Forum with the word lug nut or wheel nut they could find a discussion
about them.

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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Rob. I do not understand a word of what write
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Re: [GMCnet] WHEELNUT TORQUE [message #249338 is a reply to message #249333]

Sat, 10 May 2014 18:05

Loffen

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So let's end the Lug/wheel nut thingy.. the easy way through Ebay

88,497 results for lug nut

52,182 results for wheel nut

So Lug nut it is Wink

But the correct is not the correct name a wheel lug nut ? Rolling Eyes

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