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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248642 is a reply to message #248614] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 09:37   |
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very nice layout! easy to wok with, thank you
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248706 is a reply to message #248641] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 18:23 |
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| Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 10:23 |
Maybe I need to find out what you have the works. So far the attempts I have made have proved unsatisfactory for one reason or another.
> Matt
what is it you want to do?
erf
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Gene,
I want to be able to have a presenter be able to show scenes (live camera), pictures or slides and have those watching at independent locations be able to interact with the presentation. I have found packages that can screen share, but the attempt to do real time scene failed. We also had difficulty with audience interaction. Many of the packages I have looked at are station count limited without costing a lot of money.
Google hangouts almost works, but was count limited and screen limited.
GoToMeeting had some problem that I have in my notes and can't remember.
Join.me was difficult to use when control was passed to another attendee.
I am still looking, but my life is time-shared with other things.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248712 is a reply to message #248614] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 19:16 |
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The idea of web-casting seminars (I think) has been talked about before here and I think the conclusion was that the biggest issue was quality camera work and getting people who know how to do that stuff.
Gary and Rebecca Bovee used their iPad to FaceTime with Gene during at least a couple of talks and I am sure it worked great. The one technical factor that made that so nice was the speed of the internet connect at that park - the fastest I have ever seen at any park anywhere ever. I didn't measure it but it was faster than my 4G air card and that is pretty fast.
That is not a normal connection but, other than that solvable problem, I think our clubs could or should try to figure out a way to make web-casting happen. It would take skill and money but web-casting and recording would go a long way toward our clubs' common missions of promoting and preserving the GMC motorhome. And when the people who can't be there see what a good time we are having at the rallies they will want to attend the next one.
Armand Minnie
Marana, AZ
'76 Eleganza II TZE166V103202
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248727 is a reply to message #248706] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 20:06 |
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Matt,
You're looking at something that would actually work well (being interpreted
would mean $$) instead of cheap for one-offs.
There are just many issues when it comes to doing what you describe. It
would also require an engineer and a director to manage the whole thing. On
top of that you, for instance, are looking for a supportable solution across
platforms. Apple Facetime doesn't fit the bill. It also isn't a screen
caster. Interactive 1:1 it is. For mass distribution it isn't.
That leads me to why I go to sleep watching slides and listening to a voice
on my computer.
But, being able to have good sound and flip between the talking head and
slides would be nice. My suggestion would be that viewers just submit
questions via email and forget the interactive stuff.
As you know, there is a big difference between "interactive" and "broadcast"
when it comes to the 1's and 0's bouncing across the internet. That's why
it's best to "broadcast" and take responses via email. (Hey, Skype wasn't
mentioned; wonder why?)
Just because a toy exists doesn't mean "everyone" will want to play with or
that the technology produces desired results. Video conferencing has been
around for a long time, now. It is still goes begging to replace "presence".
Continue your quest and let Gene continue his. The holy grail may still be
somewhere out there right next to Fievel.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
Matt Colie wrote:
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> Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 10:23
>> Maybe I need to find out what you have the works. So far the attempts I have
>> made have proved unsatisfactory for one reason or another.
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>>> Matt
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>> what is it you want to do?
>> erf
>> --
>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
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> Gene,
>
> I want to be able to have a presenter be able to show scenes (live camera),
> pictures or slides and have those watching at independent locations be able to
> interact with the presentation. I have found packages that can screen share,
> but the attempt to do real time scene failed. We also had difficulty with
> audience interaction. Many of the packages I have looked at are station count
> limited without costing a lot of money.
>
> Google hangouts almost works, but was count limited and screen limited.
> GoToMeeting had some problem that I have in my notes and can't remember.
> Join.me was difficult to use when control was passed to another attendee.
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> I am still looking, but my life is time-shared with other things.
>
> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248728 is a reply to message #248712] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 20:12 |
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Armand,
Quit making sense. :>)
Personally, I'd be in favor of pursuing video podcasting. A good microphone,
good slides (legible and logical), and two people (presenter and
questioner/clarifier) and a product could be rolled out rather easily with a
minimum of cost. Good software to do this does exist and it isn't expensive
by any stretch of the imagination. The nice thing is that it could be edited
before distribution.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
Armand Minnie wrote:
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> The idea of web-casting seminars (I think) has been talked about before here
> and I think the conclusion was that the biggest issue was quality camera work
> and getting people who know how to do that stuff.
>
> Gary and Rebecca Bovee used their iPad to FaceTime with Gene during at least a
> couple of talks and I am sure it worked great. The one technical factor that
> made that so nice was the speed of the internet connect at that park - the
> fastest I have ever seen at any park anywhere ever. I didn't measure it but it
> was faster than my 4G air card and that is pretty fast.
>
> That is not a normal connection but, other than that solvable problem, I think
> our clubs could or should try to figure out a way to make web-casting happen.
> It would take skill and money but web-casting and recording would go a long
> way toward our clubs' common missions of promoting and preserving the GMC
> motorhome. And when the people who can't be there see what a good time we are
> having at the rallies they will want to attend the next one.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248730 is a reply to message #248728] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 20:35 |
armandminnie
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| Byron Songer wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 18:12 |
Personally, I'd be in favor of pursuing video podcasting. A good microphone,
good slides (legible and logical), and two people (presenter and
questioner/clarifier) and a product could be rolled out rather easily with a
minimum of cost. Good software to do this does exist and it isn't expensive
by any stretch of the imagination. The nice thing is that it could be edited
before distribution.
Byron Songer
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Byron, I agree that the bulk of the value of using video would be in recording and probably editing and preserving the result but I think that web-casting (the future of "broadcasting") is (for the right technical people) so easy to add on these days (I think that google even has a web-casting service now as part of google+) that to not do it would be a waste - think of the excitement it would (could?) create. The clubs could make the recordings free to GMC owners and charge fees (rally fees?) for the live web-cast to offset the costs and not discourage people from actually attending the rallies.
Armand Minnie
Marana, AZ
'76 Eleganza II TZE166V103202
visit my gmc blog
click here to visit gmcws.org
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248740 is a reply to message #248727] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 21:48 |
Mr ERFisher
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Kenb did it in 04
Face time is perfect one to onand a iPad does an excellent mirror to a hdmi tv. One to many in one room
So not there yet but some success
Erf
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On Apr 28, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Byron Songer <bsonger@songerconsulting.net> wrote:
> Matt,
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> You're looking at something that would actually work well (being interpreted
> would mean $$) instead of cheap for one-offs.
>
> There are just many issues when it comes to doing what you describe. It
> would also require an engineer and a director to manage the whole thing. On
> top of that you, for instance, are looking for a supportable solution across
> platforms. Apple Facetime doesn't fit the bill. It also isn't a screen
> caster. Interactive 1:1 it is. For mass distribution it isn't.
>
> That leads me to why I go to sleep watching slides and listening to a voice
> on my computer.
>
> But, being able to have good sound and flip between the talking head and
> slides would be nice. My suggestion would be that viewers just submit
> questions via email and forget the interactive stuff.
>
> As you know, there is a big difference between "interactive" and "broadcast"
> when it comes to the 1's and 0's bouncing across the internet. That's why
> it's best to "broadcast" and take responses via email. (Hey, Skype wasn't
> mentioned; wonder why?)
>
> Just because a toy exists doesn't mean "everyone" will want to play with or
> that the technology produces desired results. Video conferencing has been
> around for a long time, now. It is still goes begging to replace "presence".
>
> Continue your quest and let Gene continue his. The holy grail may still be
> somewhere out there right next to Fievel.
>
> Byron Songer
> Louisville, KY
>
>
> Matt Colie wrote:
>
>>
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>> Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 10:23
>>> Maybe I need to find out what you have the works. So far the attempts I have
>>> made have proved unsatisfactory for one reason or another.
>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>
>>> what is it you want to do?
>>> erf
>>> --
>>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
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>> Gene,
>>
>> I want to be able to have a presenter be able to show scenes (live camera),
>> pictures or slides and have those watching at independent locations be able to
>> interact with the presentation. I have found packages that can screen share,
>> but the attempt to do real time scene failed. We also had difficulty with
>> audience interaction. Many of the packages I have looked at are station count
>> limited without costing a lot of money.
>>
>> Google hangouts almost works, but was count limited and screen limited.
>> GoToMeeting had some problem that I have in my notes and can't remember.
>> Join.me was difficult to use when control was passed to another attendee.
>>
>> I am still looking, but my life is time-shared with other things.
>>
>> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248745 is a reply to message #248740] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 22:09 |
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| Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 19:48 |
Face time is perfect one to onand a iPad does an excellent mirror to a hdmi tv. One to many in one room
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I guess if local clubs or other groups want to send a member to a rally to sit in on seminars and FaceTime them back home to the group gathered in front of a screen and their internet connection was fast enough that could work too but none of the benefits to those who are not there. But, it would work and be easy as Gene and the Bovees have proven.
Armand Minnie
Marana, AZ
'76 Eleganza II TZE166V103202
visit my gmc blog
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248760 is a reply to message #248745] |
Mon, 28 April 2014 23:12 |
Mr ERFisher
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com> wrote:
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> Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 19:48
> > Face time is perfect one to onand a iPad does an excellent mirror to a
> hdmi tv. One to many in one room
>
I think this is about
VENDORS, VENDORS, VENDORS
- we need them
- we want them
- they need the exposure
- makes me really sad when they are not even mentioned
(except by DAN :>)
- I cannot make every rally, but I would like to
- I love rally's,
- but i really love --TECH--
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but - you can really only see it all, if you are there
this is not going to reduce attendance
THIS IS THE YEAR OF UPGRADE FOR OUR GMCs
we have answers for all the GMCs issues
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/2013/12/good-news-for-gmc-ers.html
> But, it would work and be easy as Gene and the Bovees have proven.
>
>
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>
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248788 is a reply to message #248728] |
Tue, 29 April 2014 09:43 |
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| Byron Songer wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 21:12 |
Armand,
Quit making sense. :>)
Personally, I'd be in favor of pursuing video podcasting. A good microphone, good slides (legible and logical), and two people (presenter and questioner/clarifier) and a product could be rolled out rather easily with a minimum of cost. Good software to do this does exist and it isn't expensive by any stretch of the imagination. The nice thing is that it could be edited
before distribution.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
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Byron,
Initially, I was struggling between video podcast and just a plain slide show (pick one), but what I really want is something to be interactive so it can be seen as a "Chapter Event". We have seen real close to this with the camera in Dave Lenzi's face in recent times (that is what started me looking at this). Because there is nothing between the screen and the camera but wire and wire can be anywhere these days.
The GMCES survey results were no real surprise there, people are not particularly interested in driving more than a day for a few hours of technical stuff, crafts for the others and a non-exemplary meal (aka typical small chapter rally). The hope was to have all the interaction of a small room meeting but over a thousand miles or more. My hope was that we could put together a three or four man team to manage the technicals for a few presenters to make this happen. There are several packages that come real close, but none really does it.
When I worked for a major automobile components manufacturer, we did this. Fortunately, it did not come out of my budget then because I know that tying up the corporate ISDN lines alone was not cheap (internet was not fast enough then in those days) and the crew for one show that I did was six technical people (all at scale). It was still less cost than bringing in engineers from six countries on three continents.
As I mentioned, systems to do this are getting real close to usable and affordable. I am just trying to keep aware enough of what is going on to grab at a low hanging branch when it happens to be in reach.
It would be completely reasonable to the Chapter to purchase the means to do this if costs are reasonable.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248848 is a reply to message #248760] |
Tue, 29 April 2014 20:19 |
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Well, if this is about the vendors then the vendors to jump on this will all
four and do something about it.
As to Facetime and mirroring to a TV or projector -- old technology, been
doing it for years, still an inconvenience unless "you're there". Facetime
used to be iChat with video. Prior to that it was QuickTime Conferencing.
Prior to that I don't remember the code name when under development. Now
that you Microsoft guys have discovered Apple technology you think you've
discovered toilet paper and sliced bread.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
gene Fisher wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 19:48
> > Face time is
> perfect one to onand a iPad does an excellent mirror to a
> hdmi tv. One to
> many in one room
>
I think this is about
VENDORS, VENDORS, VENDORS
- we
> need them
- we want them
- they need the exposure
- makes me really sad when
> they are not even mentioned
(except by DAN :>)
- I cannot make every rally,
> but I would like to
- I love rally's,
- but i really love --TECH--
-
but -
> you can really only see it all, if you are there
this is not going to reduce
> attendance
THIS IS THE YEAR OF UPGRADE FOR OUR GMCs
we have answers for
> all the GMCs
> issues
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/2013/12/good-news-for-gmc-ers.html
>
> But, it would work and be easy as Gene and the Bovees have proven.
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him
> for today --- give him a URL and
-------
http://gmcmotorhome.info/
Alternator
> Protection
> Cable
http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248851 is a reply to message #248788] |
Tue, 29 April 2014 20:34 |
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Matt and Armand,
I am enjoying the real conversation. This is conversation. However, I'm
going to take the position of the old fart from Missouri; Type A skeptic.
There is no such thing as interactivity when broadcasting gets involved.
Interactivity is one-to-one. Broadcasting is not really time-sensitive. Of
course, you can get around the time lag issue. You just stand silent like
the remote reporters for CNN and wait for total silence before you begin
speaking.
Next is the issue of timing. By that I mean "calendar". How many of us, when
not paid, really sit in front of a computer at a specific time to watch
something without being interrupted by someone else or tempted to do
something else (like check email). Though it sounds romantic to have a bunch
of remote watchers all gathered at the same time around screens across many
states, on a practical sense it just won't happen. (Notice that I'm assuming
that the production isn't suffering from sound or lighting issues).
Now, once the broadcast/interactive session is over, then what? Is it to be
archived? Is the presentation to be vetted first?
I can just imagine Joe Blow doing a presentation and getting a question from
a guy 500 miles removed as well as a guy in the live audience at the same
time. Who wins?
I still hold to a polished broadcast that is later archived. During the
broadcast folks could submit questions. That would probably come closer to
working than anything else.
But here's the real kicker. Who really wants this to happen and who would
really get involved to make it happen. As you can tell from this thread,
there aren't that many that really give a flip. As far as that's concerned,
how many really go get material that already exists? No, we're into the
"demand" kind of world and that means not setting an alarm to watch
something at a specific time and having to follow a protocol to ask
questions. Those younger than us what what they want when they want it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using technology. It's just that I've seen
my fair share of good ideas wind up being a waste of time. Time, the older
we get, becomes more limited.
Next?
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
Matt Colie wrote:
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> Byron Songer wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 21:12
>> Armand,
>>
>> Quit making sense. :>)
>>
>> Personally, I'd be in favor of pursuing video podcasting. A good microphone,
>> good slides (legible and logical), and two people (presenter and
>> questioner/clarifier) and a product could be rolled out rather easily with a
>> minimum of cost. Good software to do this does exist and it isn't expensive
>> by any stretch of the imagination. The nice thing is that it could be edited
>> before distribution.
>>
>> Byron Songer
>> Louisville, KY
>
> Byron,
>
> Initially, I was struggling between video podcast and just a plain slide show
> (pick one), but what I really want is something to be interactive so it can be
> seen as a "Chapter Event". We have seen real close to this with the camera in
> Dave Lenzi's face in recent times (that is what started me looking at this).
> Because there is nothing between the screen and the camera but wire and wire
> can be anywhere these days.
>
> The GMCES survey results were no real surprise there, people are not
> particularly interested in driving more than a day for a few hours of
> technical stuff, crafts for the others and a non-exemplary meal (aka typical
> small chapter rally). The hope was to have all the interaction of a small
> room meeting but over a thousand miles or more. My hope was that we could put
> together a three or four man team to manage the technicals for a few
> presenters to make this happen. There are several packages that come real
> close, but none really does it.
>
> When I worked for a major automobile components manufacturer, we did this.
> Fortunately, it did not come out of my budget then because I know that tying
> up the corporate ISDN lines alone was not cheap (internet was not fast enough
> then in those days) and the crew for one show that I did was six technical
> people (all at scale). It was still less cost than bringing in engineers from
> six countries on three continents.
>
> As I mentioned, systems to do this are getting real close to usable and
> affordable. I am just trying to keep aware enough of what is going on to grab
> at a low hanging branch when it happens to be in reach.
>
> It would be completely reasonable to the Chapter to purchase the means to do
> this if costs are reasonable.
>
> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #248853 is a reply to message #248848] |
Tue, 29 April 2014 20:36 |
Mr ERFisher
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Apple sucks. But is the best in some things
Tried oovoo, hangout, skype, etc
Want it to work on android, iOS, etc
So far no joy.
But
Vendors do not need us
We need them.
Erf
On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Byron Songer <bsonger@songerconsulting.net>
wrote:
> Well, if this is about the vendors then the vendors to jump on this will
> all
> four and do something about it.
>
> As to Facetime and mirroring to a TV or projector -- old technology, been
> doing it for years, still an inconvenience unless "you're there". Facetime
> used to be iChat with video. Prior to that it was QuickTime Conferencing.
> Prior to that I don't remember the code name when under development. Now
> that you Microsoft guys have discovered Apple technology you think you've
> discovered toilet paper and sliced bread.
>
> Byron Songer
> Louisville, KY
>
>
> gene Fisher wrote:
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> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com<javascript:;>
> >
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 28 April 2014 19:48
> > > Face time is
> > perfect one to onand a iPad does an excellent mirror to a
> > hdmi tv. One to
> > many in one room
> >
>
> I think this is about
> VENDORS, VENDORS, VENDORS
>
> - we
> > need them
> - we want them
> - they need the exposure
> - makes me really sad when
> > they are not even mentioned
> (except by DAN :>)
> - I cannot make every rally,
> > but I would like to
> - I love rally's,
> - but i really love --TECH--
>
> -
> but -
> > you can really only see it all, if you are there
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> this is not going to reduce
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> THIS IS THE YEAR OF UPGRADE FOR OUR GMCs
> we have answers for
> > all the GMCs
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> http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/2013/12/good-news-for-gmc-ers.html
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> > But, it would work and be easy as Gene and the Bovees have proven.
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> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
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| Re: [GMCnet] NEW SEMINAR TECHNOLOGY FOR GMC OWNERS [message #249013 is a reply to message #248890] |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912
Registered: July 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Gene,
HUH? 
Vendors that sell GMC "stuff" don't need GMC owners to buy that "stuff?" 
Regards,
Rob M.
So far no joy.
But
Vendors do not need us
We need them.
Erf
Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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