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| Should I stop trying to help? [message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 10:03  |
Ultravan Owners
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To whom it may concern,
I am wondering if it would be best for me to stop trying to help - when I feel I have something to offer.
Please do not get me wrong.
I truly enjoy helping others; when I know I can and I have something worthwhile to give, I will do my best to help.
I also am NOT looking for a pat on the back.
Knowing that I can help others, as others have helped me in the past, is all I need.
However, I do not feel that my help/input is being received well here.
I know that I do not own a GMC "yet", nor do a know much about them.
That is one main reason why I do not jump in to a lot of the GMC tech/help posts on this site.
I am a retired mechanic with some experience.
I’m someone who enjoy making things work again.
I also like saving a buck fixing stuff when I can, along with building and designing things.
I would like to think I learned something while working side by side with other mechanics who had more knowledge than I did at the time.
When I was a mechanic and even a business owner in USA, I was ASE certified on engine building, antilock brakes and tune-ups.
I even took drafting for years in high school and then AutoCad in college.
Do I continue to try and lend a hand when I think I have something to offer?
Or am I an outsider - “wannabe” to others?
Thanks, Tony
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236614 is a reply to message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 10:12  |
rcjordan
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IMO, you're being slightly paranoid, Tony. Is there some resistance from the crowd? Yeah, maybe. But -hell- they still don't like me, either. It's a natural phenom in established forums. Tough it out.
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236617 is a reply to message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 10:22 |
kerry pinkerton
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I agree with RC Tony. I've made posts that I though would get a positive reaction only to hear nothing at all. Just life on the interpipes. One thing to keep in mind is that for everyone 'talking' there are 4-5 that are just reading. Also keep in mind that if you get 5 GMCers together and ask a question, you should expect at LEAST 6 definitive different answers.
Stay the course.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236619 is a reply to message #236617] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 10:33 |
Keith V
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Please don't stop!
I love talking to people with real experience.. Maybe I should say discussing?
that said I WILL ask you WHY something should be done. Hopefully that doesn't annoy you, I' just like to learn
Keith Vasilakes
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ask me about MicroLevel
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236622 is a reply to message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 11:26 |
rcjordan
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Forums, particularly unmoderated forums, are a tough social environment. Sort of a Fight Club. This one has the added advantage that it's populated by a fair number of members who have lots of life experiences that has served them well over the years. It's gotten them this far and they trust themselves first. To change their(/my) thinking, you may have have to beat it in.
I will pass along one tip to you and the lurkers here while reviewing posts by others:
Scotch and keyboards don't mix well.
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236623 is a reply to message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 11:33 |
Ken Burton
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I do not know what brought this on but all people are appreciated here for whatever they can or want to contribute.
There are several non-GMC owners here that contribute on regular basis. So stick around and be yourself. Contribute when you want and take away anything that you see as useful.
You are free to post your ideas and suggestions. I am free to analyze your ideas and suggestions, along with those from others, and make my own decisions.
I do not agree with everything I see here and occasionally I will post my disagreement and why. There is not necessarily only one way to resolve a problem or make an improvement, so even though we have a different approach we may both be right or both be wrong.
I belong to 3 automotive type forums that I watch on a regular basis. They each have their own flavor but of the three, this one is by far the best. Very, very few people have an agenda or something to prove. They are here to help others and to spread their particular expertise.
Sometimes the contributions are not GMC oriented and sometimes they are just friendly chatter. It all goes with the friendly people of this cult.
So stick around an contribute when you want and take advantage of others' contributions when you can.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236625 is a reply to message #236622] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 11:41 |
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| rcjordan wrote on Sun, 19 January 2014 09:26 |
Forums, particularly unmoderated forums, are a tough social environment. Sort of a Fight Club. This one has the added advantage that it's populated by a fair number of members who have lots of life experiences that has served them well over the years. It's gotten them this far and they trust themselves first. To change their(/my) thinking, you may have have to beat it in.
I will pass along one tip to you and the lurkers here while reviewing posts by others:
Scotch and keyboards don't mix well.
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I belong to several forums, and this is an odd one. I think having vendors on the forum is a mixed blessing. I noticed right away that if you post something you found at a better price than the vendors you will get jumped on for betraying them. I know they have to make a living, but so do we all. I think the forum is a bit bound up (for lack of a better phrase) and could stand to loosen up a bit.
I don't feel I'm generally liked on this forum, but it isn't my forum, so I've tried to adapt, which mainly means keeping my mouth shut (not something I excel at) and posting less.
Personally I enjoy your post and would like to see you hang around.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236626 is a reply to message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 11:54 |
rcjordan
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>liked
It'll come. Or not.
This place welcomes but a member may have to develop thicker skin. Here's a for-true paste from the first line of an email I rec'd this morning:
"At last, a discussion on this topic with an informed clear thinker. Even if you are a cold distant, Darwinist capitalist pig bastard."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Should I stop trying to help? [message #236627 is a reply to message #236625] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 11:51 |
Sammy Williams
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I lurk but surface and start a subject once in a while. Sometimes I offer
input to help. Often though I just lurk. I dont care too much about being
answered here I just contribute when I see fit. I do not have a GMC yet but
I have found the aslyum here most welcoming to anyone. Sammy Williams
On Jan 19, 2014 11:41 AM, "David Orders" <dao@oarsllc.com> wrote:
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> rcjordan wrote on Sun, 19 January 2014 09:26
> > Forums, particularly unmoderated forums, are a tough social environment.
> Sort of a Fight Club. This one has the added advantage that it's populated
> by a fair number of members who have lots of life experiences that has
> served them well over the years. It's gotten them this far and they trust
> themselves first. To change their(/my) thinking, you may have have to beat
> it in.
> >
> > I will pass along one tip to you and the lurkers here while reviewing
> posts by others:
> >
> > Scotch and keyboards don't mix well.
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> I belong to several forums, and this is an odd one. I think having vendors
> on the forum is a mixed blessing. I noticed right away that if you post
> something you found at a better price than the vendors you will get jumped
> on for betraying them. I know they have to make a living, but so do we all.
> I think the forum is a bit bound up (for lack of a better phrase) and could
> stand to loosen up a bit.
>
> I don't feel I'm generally liked on this forum, but it isn't my forum, so
> I've tried to adapt, which mainly means keeping my mouth shut (not
> something I excel at) and posting less.
>
> Personally I enjoy your post and would like to see you hang around.
>
> --
> 1976 Royale "Twinkie II", 1978 Palm Beach with front end fire. Lynnwood WA
> - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we
> treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Should I stop trying to help? [message #236628 is a reply to message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 11:58 |
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If a person feels let down for no response for a post right away, consider the fact that
a response is not needed with unconditional help which is here for the gmc all the time. In that respect there are no bridges to be burned. People are busy, if you say something and no reply specific it may come back a few days latter or even a year.
when someone looks up the subject. taking it personal and making it a public dramatic art form is over the top and not respectful
to the rest of us that just love to say something and if no one cares, who cares, we tried to help and maybe did. That is the fun of it.
this is off gmc topic really and also a spark to flaming which makes no advantages but to cause attention in the wrong direction.
but thats ok for a while after three or four posts of flaming i think peter comes in and stops - he is the manager. love and be loved that
is the questions?
I personally would not post such a question. help or do not help is up to you. talking about it does not really help to much.
best regards Mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach. treading where angels dare to tread.
as far as vendors being dominate here, we should all be glad for they may be a little more money for something but it is the right
part and you do not have to send it back like most other vendors that people find. Trust the vendors here they have put many years in
the facts and love of the gmc. This is a great place to get gmc info, no better, and the people here are as good as it gets.
gmc = great memories created.
On Jan 19, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Tony wrote:
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> To whom it may concern,
>
> I am wondering if it would be best for me to stop trying to help - when I feel I have something to offer.
>
> Please do not get me wrong.
> I truly enjoy helping others; when I know I can and I have something worthwhile to give, I will do my best to help.
> I also am NOT looking for a pat on the back.
> Knowing that I can help others, as others have helped me in the past, is all I need.
>
> However, I do not feel that my help/input is being received well here.
>
> I know that I do not own a GMC "yet", nor do a know much about them.
> That is one main reason why I do not jump in to a lot of the GMC tech/help posts on this site.
> I am a retired mechanic with some experience.
> I’m someone who enjoy making things work again.
> I also like saving a buck fixing stuff when I can, along with building and designing things.
> I would like to think I learned something while working side by side with other mechanics who had more knowledge than I did at the time.
> When I was a mechanic and even a business owner in USA, I was ASE certified on engine building, antilock brakes and tune-ups.
> I even took drafting for years in high school and then AutoCad in college.
>
> Do I continue to try and lend a hand when I think I have something to offer?
> Or am I an outsider - “wannabe” to others?
>
>
> Thanks, Tony
>
> --
> Tony (Ontario Canada) Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm. Someday I hope to build the garage of my dreams. We have 4 Ultravans & 2 Corvairs. Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236633 is a reply to message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 12:38 |
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| Ultravan Owners wrote on Sun, 19 January 2014 09:03 |
To whom it may concern,
I am wondering if it would be best for me to stop trying to help - when I feel I have something to offer.
{snip}
I also am NOT looking for a pat on the back.
{snip}
Do I continue to try and lend a hand when I think I have something to offer?
Or am I an outsider - “wannabe” to others?
Thanks, Tony
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Tony, I've read a number of posts of yours, and the threads they were in, and for the life of me I have no idea where you're coming from. I haven't read anything directed towards you that would cause even the most thin skinned to take offense.
Online forums are generally not for the thin skinned unless they like to fight, and this isn't exactly a "Fight Club" forum, and you don't seem to be that type anyway.
Don't sweat the small stuff. Post on, contribute as you see fit.
Oh, and one more thing...never mention Ultravans. It just pisses people off. 
Richard
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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| Re: [GMCnet] Should I stop trying to help? [message #236635 is a reply to message #236633] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 12:47 |
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I fail to understand why mere mention of Ultravans, Cortez, Corvairs, etc. should actually tick people off. A 1962 Corvair Monza coupe was my first ever new car and the second of three Chevs I have owned (50, 62, 81).
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: GMC77Birchaven@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:38:29 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Should I stop trying to help?
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> Ultravan Owners wrote on Sun, 19 January 2014 09:03
> > To whom it may concern,
> >
> > I am wondering if it would be best for me to stop trying to help - when I feel I have something to offer.
> > {snip}
> > I also am NOT looking for a pat on the back.
> > {snip}
> > Do I continue to try and lend a hand when I think I have something to offer?
> > Or am I an outsider - “wannabe” to others?
> > Thanks, Tony
>
>
> Tony, I've read a number of posts of yours, and the threads they were in, and for the life of me I have no idea where you're coming from. I haven't read anything directed towards you that would cause even the most thin skinned to take offense.
>
> Online forums are generally not for the thin skinned unless they like to fight, and this isn't exactly a "Fight Club" forum, and you don't seem to be that type anyway.
>
> Don't sweat the small stuff. Post on, contribute as you see fit.
>
> Oh, and one more thing...never mention Ultravans. It just pisses people off. ;)
>
> Richard
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| Re: [GMCnet] Should I stop trying to help? [message #236637 is a reply to message #236628] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 12:47 |
Ronald Pottol
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Regarding vendors, go hang out on the Cortez list. They are cool, but parts
are salvage or make it yourself. I'm not sure what the right balance is,
but I'd prefer to error on the site of caution, and be in a place where
people can do large enough runs to keep prices sane. You can search scrap
yards for 16" wheels that work, or buy then from Jim K. I want both
options.
An escrow service for data might be a good thing, I understand why vendors
who want to make their time back for figuring what parts will work, but I
don't want to have to rediscover that information if they go away.
Plato seems wrong to me today.
On Jan 19, 2014 9:56 AM, "Mickey Space Ship Shuttle" <mickeysss@me.com>
wrote:
> If a person feels let down for no response for a post right away, consider
> the fact that
> a response is not needed with unconditional help which is here for the gmc
> all the time. In that respect there are no bridges to be burned. People
> are busy, if you say something and no reply specific it may come back a few
> days latter or even a year.
> when someone looks up the subject. taking it personal and making it a
> public dramatic art form is over the top and not respectful
> to the rest of us that just love to say something and if no one cares, who
> cares, we tried to help and maybe did. That is the fun of it.
>
> this is off gmc topic really and also a spark to flaming which makes no
> advantages but to cause attention in the wrong direction.
>
> but thats ok for a while after three or four posts of flaming i think
> peter comes in and stops - he is the manager. love and be loved that
>
> is the questions?
>
> I personally would not post such a question. help or do not help is up to
> you. talking about it does not really help to much.
>
> best regards Mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach. treading where angels dare
> to tread.
>
> as far as vendors being dominate here, we should all be glad for they may
> be a little more money for something but it is the right
>
> part and you do not have to send it back like most other vendors that
> people find. Trust the vendors here they have put many years in
>
> the facts and love of the gmc. This is a great place to get gmc info, no
> better, and the people here are as good as it gets.
>
> gmc = great memories created.
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Tony wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > To whom it may concern,
> >
> > I am wondering if it would be best for me to stop trying to help - when
> I feel I have something to offer.
> >
> > Please do not get me wrong.
> > I truly enjoy helping others; when I know I can and I have something
> worthwhile to give, I will do my best to help.
> > I also am NOT looking for a pat on the back.
> > Knowing that I can help others, as others have helped me in the past, is
> all I need.
> >
> > However, I do not feel that my help/input is being received well here.
> >
> > I know that I do not own a GMC "yet", nor do a know much about them.
> > That is one main reason why I do not jump in to a lot of the GMC
> tech/help posts on this site.
> > I am a retired mechanic with some experience.
> > I’m someone who enjoy making things work again.
> > I also like saving a buck fixing stuff when I can, along with building
> and designing things.
> > I would like to think I learned something while working side by side
> with other mechanics who had more knowledge than I did at the time.
> > When I was a mechanic and even a business owner in USA, I was ASE
> certified on engine building, antilock brakes and tune-ups.
> > I even took drafting for years in high school and then AutoCad in
> college.
> >
> > Do I continue to try and lend a hand when I think I have something to
> offer?
> > Or am I an outsider - “wannabe” to others?
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Tony
> >
> > --
> > Tony (Ontario Canada) Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance
> to buy our farm. Someday I hope to build the garage of my dreams. We have
> 4 Ultravans & 2 Corvairs. Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455
> in back.
> > _______________________________________________
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236649 is a reply to message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 14:41 |
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I mean and meant no disrespect, no ill will, and was searching for a positive outcome.
I felt and still feel welcome here. I have received lots of help and support for which I am grateful for!!
I guess what I feel “at times” is that there might be a lack of camaraderie, getting the pros and cons of things people are asking and talking about and sharing in good fellowship. Nothing at all bad about the site or people here! I like the form and people.
I’m a see spot run kind of guy. I’m a person that had a learning disorder and sadly caused more problems for myself by goofing off in school. So I do not always use the best wording, because I want to get my thoughts on paper ASAP. So if I cannot spell it or even get close enough for spell check to help; I move on to an easier word that might not be the best fit. Depending on how someone takes it, it can make the entire meaning something I did not want it to mean. Kind of like this thread might be. (I'm smiling, grinning, and laughing at one’s self = me.)
As for me posting about Ultravans and Corvairs I do so for two reasons..
I like others to know more about me and what I like. I also post that I am talking about an Ultravan with a 455 and not a GMC so not to confuse or mislead a future readers – seeking advice. Also to let those with knowledge of the Toronado 455 know just what I’m working on so they do not assume and I do not waste their time going down a wrong path when they are trying to help me. I do it as common courtesy...
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Should I stop trying to help? [message #236660 is a reply to message #236626] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 15:56 |
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RC,
I assume that email was tongue in cheek?
If not one can always fall back on; "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of RC Jordan
>liked
It'll come. Or not.
This place welcomes but a member may have to develop thicker skin. Here's a for-true paste from the first line of an email I rec'd
this morning:
"At last, a discussion on this topic with an informed clear thinker. Even if you are a cold distant, Darwinist capitalist pig
bastard."
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| Re: Should I stop trying to help? [message #236662 is a reply to message #236609] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 16:21 |
rcjordan
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>I assume that email was tongue in cheek?
Well, no. He meant it, but in a friendly way. Just 'spirited' conversation. But he has thick skin (socialist bleeding heart!), I have thick skin, so it works for us.
He forgot to include 'megalomaniac' this time --but that attribute wasn't really pertinent to this morning's debate with him. (Over minimum wage as related to over-population and the long-term job marketed.)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Should I stop trying to help? [message #236668 is a reply to message #236662] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 17:04 |
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RC,
Got it!
In response to being called an a$$hole I asked a guy; "and what makes you say that?" He explained why he felt that way and I
conceded that I could see why he said that but I disagreed with his point of view.
You're right it's all about "thick skin" some people have it some don't.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of RC Jordan
>I assume that email was tongue in cheek?
Well, no. He meant it, but in a friendly way. Just 'spirited' conversation. But he has thick skin (socialist bleeding heart!), I
have thick skin, so it works for us.
He forgot to include 'megalomaniac' this time --but that attribute wasn't really pertinent to this morning's debate with him. (Over
minimum wage as related to over-population and the long-term job marketed.)
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
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