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Fri, 10 January 2014 14:23  |
Steve Jess
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Hello all,
I'd like to tap into the experience of those who have painted the plastic dash and sidewall panels in the cockpit area of their coach. FYI, my coach was originally a Palm Beach with the avocado green interior. Then a PO spray-painted it sky blue, but large areas weren't prepped properly so it's peeling off. So I have an ugly dash that's mostly sky blue with random sections of avocado.
I've already removed, prepped ,and sprayed the easily removed sections using DOT 3 brake fluid to strip as much paint as I can before spraying with Krylon Fusion paint.
I'm stuck on the big sidewall pieces. I can't loosen the screws up front just under the windshield. Not only are they in tight, the PO just painted right over them. Should I just do what he did - mask and paint them in place?
Is there a diagram somewhere that shows how to remove these trim pieces?
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235725 is a reply to message #235724] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 14:28  |
rcjordan
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From reading here, it's my understanding that these panels break easily. I know that the Co-op has chosen to paint my coaches' panels in place.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235726 is a reply to message #235724] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 14:29 |
scott cowden
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Steve;
You're in luck because there's a lot of newer paint that works on plastics in recent years.
I used SEM brand paint to take my dash and side panels from chocolate-mud brown to mid gray about 10 years ago. I'm going to touch it up this year, but figure that's pretty good service. SEM also sell a bonding type primer to help adhesion, but I didn't use it in the end. Take your time and clean well with alcohol or other good but non corrosive cleaner to get the 40 years of crap and armor all off everything. Dry well, rub with a tack cloth and be patience putting on the paint. 3 medium/dry coats better than 1 or 2 heavy ones.
Home Depot sells Krylon brand paint that is plastic-specific too, but I've not tried it.
I also used a Dupont product that I bought at an auto body supply that I actually had color matched to some of the interior vinyl that I installed. It worked well too, and I painted the entire front headliner over the front seats with that.
Good luck.
Scott
'74 x-Glacier
Newmarket ON
> From: stevejess@msn.com
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> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:23:10 -0800
> Subject: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front
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> Hello all,
> I'd like to tap into the experience of those who have painted the plastic dash and sidewall panels in the cockpit area of their coach. FYI, my coach was originally a Palm Beach with the avocado green interior. Then a PO spray-painted it sky blue, but large areas weren't prepped properly so it's peeling off. So I have an ugly dash that's mostly sky blue with random sections of avocado.
> I've already removed, prepped ,and sprayed the easily removed sections using DOT 3 brake fluid to strip as much paint as I can before spraying with Krylon Fusion paint.
> I'm stuck on the big sidewall pieces. I can't loosen the screws up front just under the windshield. Not only are they in tight, the PO just painted right over them. Should I just do what he did - mask and paint them in place?
> Is there a diagram somewhere that shows how to remove these trim pieces?
> Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235729 is a reply to message #235724] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 14:36 |
Gary Worobec
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Steve, I used SEM plus their plastic primer product and my side panels, dash
and front and rear inside caps have held up very well for the last 8 years
or so. The plastic primer I believe does make a difference. It seems to
slightly soften the very outer surface of the plastic which helps the new
paint bond.
Thanks,
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
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Subject: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front
Hello all,
I'd like to tap into the experience of those who have painted the plastic
dash and sidewall panels in the cockpit area of their coach. FYI, my coach
was originally a Palm Beach with the avocado green interior. Then a PO
spray-painted it sky blue, but large areas weren't prepped properly so it's
peeling off. So I have an ugly dash that's mostly sky blue with random
sections of avocado.
I've already removed, prepped ,and sprayed the easily removed sections using
DOT 3 brake fluid to strip as much paint as I can before spraying with
Krylon Fusion paint.
I'm stuck on the big sidewall pieces. I can't loosen the screws up front
just under the windshield. Not only are they in tight, the PO just painted
right over them. Should I just do what he did - mask and paint them in
place?
Is there a diagram somewhere that shows how to remove these trim pieces?
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater
with plumbing
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235731 is a reply to message #235724] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 14:46 |
GeorgeRud
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The side panels don't come off easily without also removing the panels back by the dinette and sofa first, so I'd recommend just mask and paint in place.
I did have my complete interior out of the coach, so did remove my panels when I repainted them with Krylon Fusion. It seems to be holding up fine, but the preparation of the panels is the most important step. I seem remembering cleaning with an ammonia based cleaner before painting, and if was also able to pressure wash the panels as I had mine out of the coach.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235732 is a reply to message #235731] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 15:03 |
appie
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yes they are a drag
i drillede the screws by the windshield replace at a more convenient spot
front side panels have a U slot that goes around the dinette side pannels. I could work them off and removed the back of the U slot for easier refit
NOTE ! on the passenger side there is a screw into the frontpiece (underneath the glovedepartment). you will NOT be able to get at this screw, as it is screwed in from the side panel. but you can break out the clip that the screw is screwed into.
i repared all the broken spots with firberglass and resin ,seems to work fine
be carefull!
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235736 is a reply to message #235725] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 15:32 |
Ray Erspamer
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I renovated the interior of our 78 Royale, it originally had the brown dash and panels and one of the previous owners had painted it sky blue.
It's very easy to spray these, I even painted the cab ceiling.
I would recommend you use SEM paint, it works great and is very durable .
All I had to do was the following:
1. You clean all of the plastic with hot water and soap.
2. Then wipe it down again with clear hot water.
3. Let it dry.
4. Spray on the SEM primer.
5. While the SEM primer is still wet, you can start applying thin coats of color. You just continue to go over it again and again until the color is solid with no see-through. We redid ours in 2009 and it still looks perfect. Here are some pictures of our renovation.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5219-ray-amp-lisa-s-front-interior-half-renovation-2009.html
The cab ceiling I sprayed with Krylon Sand Finish, having some texture helped quiet the cab area down considerably.
Give me a call if you'd like to talk about it.
Ray
78 Royale - "The Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-484-9431
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com>
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front
From reading here, it's my understanding that these panels break easily. I know that the Co-op has chosen to paint my coaches' panels in place.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235741 is a reply to message #235724] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 16:42 |
Steve Jess
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Just to review, the questions I asked were "Should I mask and paint them in place?" and "Is there a diagram somewhere that shows how to remove these trim pieces?"
I already have purchased the Krylon Fusion paint, but thanks for your suggestions anyway.
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
> From: stevejess@msn.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:23:10 -0800
> Subject: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front
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> Hello all,
> I'd like to tap into the experience of those who have painted the plastic dash and sidewall panels in the cockpit area of their coach. FYI, my coach was originally a Palm Beach with the avocado green interior. Then a PO spray-painted it sky blue, but large areas weren't prepped properly so it's peeling off. So I have an ugly dash that's mostly sky blue with random sections of avocado.
> I've already removed, prepped ,and sprayed the easily removed sections using DOT 3 brake fluid to strip as much paint as I can before spraying with Krylon Fusion paint.
> I'm stuck on the big sidewall pieces. I can't loosen the screws up front just under the windshield. Not only are they in tight, the PO just painted right over them. Should I just do what he did - mask and paint them in place?
> Is there a diagram somewhere that shows how to remove these trim pieces?
> Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235742 is a reply to message #235741] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 16:47 |
Steve Jess
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Thanks, George, Lenze, and Ray for your comments. Ray, the pictures of your renovation have been a large part of my inspiration.
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
From: stevejess@msn.com
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Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:42:46 -0800
Just to review, the questions I asked were "Should I mask and paint them in place?" and "Is there a diagram somewhere that shows how to remove these trim pieces?"
I already have purchased the Krylon Fusion paint, but thanks for your suggestions anyway.
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
> From: stevejess@msn.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:23:10 -0800
> Subject: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front
>
> Hello all,
> I'd like to tap into the experience of those who have painted the plastic dash and sidewall panels in the cockpit area of their coach. FYI, my coach was originally a Palm Beach with the avocado green interior. Then a PO spray-painted it sky blue, but large areas weren't prepped properly so it's peeling off. So I have an ugly dash that's mostly sky blue with random sections of avocado.
> I've already removed, prepped ,and sprayed the easily removed sections using DOT 3 brake fluid to strip as much paint as I can before spraying with Krylon Fusion paint.
> I'm stuck on the big sidewall pieces. I can't loosen the screws up front just under the windshield. Not only are they in tight, the PO just painted right over them. Should I just do what he did - mask and paint them in place?
> Is there a diagram somewhere that shows how to remove these trim pieces?
> Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235809 is a reply to message #235786] |
Sat, 11 January 2014 09:19 |
appie
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Like I said Espen Fiberglass and resin worked very well
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235832 is a reply to message #235814] |
Sat, 11 January 2014 12:03 |
Bruce Hart
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This is what I was thinking on repairing my cap.
After reinforcing the cracks and broken screw holes I would glue a
headliner material to the finish side so as not to have to deal with all of
the prepwork of blending the resin or bondo in order to paint the cap
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Espen Heitmann <bimet@online.no> wrote:
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> appie wrote on Sat, 11 January 2014 16:19
> > Like I said Espen Fiberglass and resin worked very well
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> Thanks Appie I will give it a try.
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> Do anyone know what material the panels are made of ?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235833 is a reply to message #235832] |
Sat, 11 January 2014 12:07 |
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there is this
http://gmcmotorhome.info/skin.html#CAP
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is what I was thinking on repairing my cap.
> After reinforcing the cracks and broken screw holes I would glue a
> headliner material to the finish side so as not to have to deal with all of
> the prepwork of blending the resin or bondo in order to paint the cap
>
> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Espen Heitmann <bimet@online.no> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > appie wrote on Sat, 11 January 2014 16:19
> > > Like I said Espen Fiberglass and resin worked very well
> >
> >
> > Thanks Appie I will give it a try.
> >
> > Do anyone know what material the panels are made of ?
> > --
> > 1973 26' Parrot green Seqouia in Norway
> > "Loffen" translates to white bread, it is also a nick name for your..
> well
> > you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but hey you can also
> call
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235837 is a reply to message #235724] |
Sat, 11 January 2014 13:59 |
appie
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Rear panels and both caps are made of ABS Desolves in acetone!
Front sidepanels i do not know
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235839 is a reply to message #235837] |
Sat, 11 January 2014 14:40 |
scott cowden
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Repairing the panels---
When I redid my coach, I had the full headliner, front and rear and the side panels in the cockpit out of the coach.
I managed to repair cracks and fill larger holes in the various pieces using polyester fibreglass resin and light fibreglass cloth.
Adhesion was tricky. The ABS has to be made rough for the resin to stick but if you use much muscle at all, the ABS releases some sort or resin or oil that seems to prevent the polyester resin adhering.
I learned to to rough sand the panel repair areas by using 80 grit paper and VERY SLOWLY working the area being careful not to generate any heat from friction.
That worked well and those repairs are now 10 years and 35,000 rough miles old with no fractures.
This type of repair does add weight and rigidity [in the area of repair] to the panel that can add some other challenges, but in the end it has worked OK for me.
Some of the others here may recall a couple of guys made repairs using ABS cement and fibreglass cloth to make repairs. As I recall, they also sanded the repair area but used the cement to saturate the cloth, laying it on the break and allowing it to solidify.
I would be curious to know from them what the long term results of that type of repair have been.
My front headliner has developed a fairly long crack from the rear of the panel in the centre about half way to the windshield. I keep saying that I'm going to take the panel down and repair this, but have always seemed to find other jobs to fill my time so that I could avoid that one!
Scott
'74 x-Glacier
Newmarket ON
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: lenze@middelberg.dk
> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:59:14 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front
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> Rear panels and both caps are made of ABS Desolves in acetone!
>
> Front sidepanels i do not know
> --
> Appie
> eleganza 76 "Olga" ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
> Volvo v70
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| Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front [message #235844 is a reply to message #235839] |
Sat, 11 January 2014 15:13 |
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I used abs pipe cement with fiberglass mat and fiberglass resin with mat for repairs of the front and rear caps. The abs cement was easiest to use but did not leave much film build in the mat once it had finished drying. Adhesion and strength seem ok with the abs/mat but I think basting it with fiberglass resin once dry (odor free) would be a good move.
The glass resin/mat is stronger but is a little more challenging to apply without lifting/ air bubbles etc.
When sanding the abs I second the earlier remark about the tendency of it to glaze when sanded too quickly with dull abrasive. Your last pass over the plastic should be with sharp abrasive and low speed.
Also, proper cleaning should always be completed prior to any sanding. Oil eater from Costco works very well. If the panels are cleaned well with a residue free water based cleaner/degreaser there is typically no need for following with solvent based cleaners which can saturate the panel and get trapped if much care is not taken.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Jan 11, 2014, at 12:40 PM, scott cowden <scottyforsail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Repairing the panels---
>
> When I redid my coach, I had the full headliner, front and rear and the side panels in the cockpit out of the coach.
> I managed to repair cracks and fill larger holes in the various pieces using polyester fibreglass resin and light fibreglass cloth.
>
> Adhesion was tricky. The ABS has to be made rough for the resin to stick but if you use much muscle at all, the ABS releases some sort or resin or oil that seems to prevent the polyester resin adhering.
>
> I learned to to rough sand the panel repair areas by using 80 grit paper and VERY SLOWLY working the area being careful not to generate any heat from friction.
>
> That worked well and those repairs are now 10 years and 35,000 rough miles old with no fractures.
>
> This type of repair does add weight and rigidity [in the area of repair] to the panel that can add some other challenges, but in the end it has worked OK for me.
>
> Some of the others here may recall a couple of guys made repairs using ABS cement and fibreglass cloth to make repairs. As I recall, they also sanded the repair area but used the cement to saturate the cloth, laying it on the break and allowing it to solidify.
>
> I would be curious to know from them what the long term results of that type of repair have been.
>
> My front headliner has developed a fairly long crack from the rear of the panel in the centre about half way to the windshield. I keep saying that I'm going to take the panel down and repair this, but have always seemed to find other jobs to fill my time so that I could avoid that one!
>
> Scott
> '74 x-Glacier
> Newmarket ON
>
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> From: lenze@middelberg.dk
>> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:59:14 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Painting the plastic panels up front
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>> Rear panels and both caps are made of ABS Desolves in acetone!
>>
>> Front sidepanels i do not know
>> --
>> Appie
>> eleganza 76 "Olga" ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
>> Volvo v70
>> Denmark
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