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| Re: [GMCnet] New Axle [message #235700] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 06:12  |
Jim Bounds
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That "shock" is something one of our customers found which we rigged up that I then asked Manng to make work. Â It is basically a Bilsttein shock fitted to a Firestone air bag eesigned for 3500 Chevy trucks. Â Sort of a concrrned ending design it did drive cross country with no problems. Â Its fitted to Mannys 1 ton suspension. Â We ended up removing the spacer fitting a nonduely offset front wheel which still llined up all wheels. Â While it did offer front height control, proper camber and toe were effected. Â Though steering did seem to be effected still only allowing for @ 2-3 " of travvel it really did jow effect ride height that much. Â Was a co ol thing to try. Â You need to god "too far" to know where too far is. Â I know where that place is on this idea.. Â Not sure the design is stable but that's the way rthings go when you try sometuing different, there are always "unexpected resultd". Â
As far as drive shafts, eventually we all will probably be 1 tonning the rront suspension, Manny has already had shafts produced for the retrofit. Â I expect we all will benefit from uis sizable investment into our future he has made. Â The offshore produced shafts are throw aways and the toro shaft that's out there is junk. Â Pressed on outer cv cannot be rebuilt and the innner does not have a centering locater slot. Â The casting is rough, bearing balls smaller and not coming off the shaft, they cannot be rebuilt-- like I said, junk! Â If you want performance, go 1 ton.
Jim Bounds
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From: Tony <Ultravanman248@yahoo.com>
Date: 01/10/2014 12:22 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New Axle
I went looking at some of the pictures and I came across one by Steve and the name of the picture was;
Mannys-front-air-ride
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showing-off/p46644-mannys-front-air-ride.html
Is this an air shock or an air ride system?
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Axle [message #235703 is a reply to message #235700] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 07:15  |
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"As far as drive shafts, eventually we all will probably be 1 tonning the rront suspension, Manny has already had shafts produced for the retrofit. Â I expect we all will benefit from uis sizable investment into our future he has made. Â The offshore produced shafts are throw aways and the toro shaft that's out there is junk. Â Pressed on outer cv cannot be rebuilt and the innner does not have a centering locater slot. Â The casting is rough, bearing balls smaller and not coming off the shaft, they cannot be rebuilt-- like I said, junk! Â If you want performance, go 1 ton.
Jim Bounds"
I guessed so, oh well have to send Golby an order when it is time for change 
And maybe a 1tonn setup in the future, who knows 
1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green,
And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel
in Norway
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Axle [message #235709 is a reply to message #235703] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 08:59 |
Jim Bounds
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Still, I and other GMC specialty shops have rebuilt drive shafts for $190 w/ good core, we have parts and the old original parts can still be reused so there rally is no hole in our parts supply for drive shaft parts--- at this time. Go through Jim K. for them. They are good rebuilds, the same as I use.
What I mean is you must look ahead to keep these things on the road. At this time, parts are going out of inventory every day, when we find this we do 3 things:
1. see if there is a superceeded part we can use that is a direct replacement
2. Se if there is something off shelf that can substitute-- may be exact or it may be a retrofit.
3. If that fails, we look to see if a part can be made made-- can we attract enough volume (as in trying to get people to commit to "torsion bars" as someone is trying to do. We try to do that on all parts no longer available. If we cannot get any volume to do a production, can it be made in low production means and how much will that part cost making it that way.
This is how every part must be treated and unless YOU want to invest and do the legwork each time a part on your rig wears out, you may want to support those people that are trying to do that to support you! yOU RESEARCH A STEERING SHOK, WE HAVE THOSE-- NEW dELCO STEERING SHOCKS. wE HAVE FERRITED OUT THE SUPERCEEDED NUMBER SO YOU DON;T HAVE TO! Oops, pushed cap lock, sorry.
There are thousands of parts we have to watch, the decision was made collectively that in that we have folks and parts to still rebuild the original shafts that we have descent support so we can worry about other parts. If you wanna ferrit out drive shafts, come up with the time & $ to do it, share it with us so we can invest and have those shafts for everyone. "There is a lagitimate income derived from helping people"-- that is is you want to help the community. That's what the dealer network is trying to exist on.
OK, I'll stop but everytime I hear someone looking hard for a part we already have I wonder where their responsibility is for the continuation of the community.
Jim Bounds
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"As far as drive shafts, eventually we all will probably be 1 tonning the rront suspension, Manny has already had shafts produced for the retrofit. Â I expect we all will benefit from uis sizable investment into our future he has made. Â The offshore produced shafts are throw aways and the toro shaft that's out there is junk. Â Pressed on outer cv cannot be rebuilt and the innner does not have a centering locater slot. Â The casting is rough, bearing balls smaller and not coming off the shaft, they cannot be rebuilt-- like I said, junk! Â If you want performance, go 1 ton.
Jim Bounds"
I guessed so, oh well have to send Golby an order when it is time for change :)
And maybe a 1tonn setup in the future, who knows 8)
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Axle [message #235749 is a reply to message #235710] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 17:48 |
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Dan I will give you an example why I hunt parts and prices.
Let's say you buy a part for $ 100, it has a $ 100 core charge and the shipping is $ 20, you send the core back for $ 20 and get $ 100 back, total with shipping add up to $ 140
So far everything is good right ?
Then we put you in my shoes, same part $ 100 and the $ 100 core charge + the shipping to your forwarder $ 20, then your forwarder charges you $ 100 to get the part over the pond, when it is there you will have to add 25% VAT of the total with shipping, lets see.. that is 100+100+20+100 = 320 + 25% = $ 400
Not done yet.. Then you have to add $ 50 for inland freight so your total will be $ 450
And sure I can get the core charge back, but the return shipping is $ 150, not a good deal is it ? so you put the old part on the shelf and you hope you can use it at a later time.
So after doing that a couple of times you will go to Ebay or whatever and try to get that $ 80 part, and when you get it, it will look like this, Part $ 80 no core charge, inland shipping $ 20, forwarder $ 100 = $ 200 + 25% VAT = $ 250 + inland freight $ 50 gives a total of $ 300, and that $ 20 you saved on Ebay did become a total saving of $ 150
So if you where in my shoes you would pay 3 times more with a and sometimes you only pay twice with a 
| WD0AFQ wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:17 |
Jim, I often wonder why folks come here asking where to find a part too. I am thinking maybe that is pretty much the only time some folks come here to the net, when they need something. Can't or won't do a search on their own so here they are. When folks are asking me about our GMC one of the things I tell them is that we can get any part we need. Most have trouble understanding that. My vdub and Mustang are same, any part needed is out there because of the innovative folks that hang around here. I never ask can I get this or that part, I look to see who has it. Many of those looking are certainly new folks but I see some old timers only coming here when they need a part. Nothing wrong with that, just how it is. I choose to be involved as much as possible with this group because I love the folks associated with our coaches. I choose not to be so involved with the vdub and Mustang folks for various reasons. As you know, I am an "upgrader". I want a modern coach that just looks like a 40 year old one.
Thanks for checking in here with us as often as you can. Helps keep a few facts straight.
Dan
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1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green,
And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Axle [message #235752 is a reply to message #235749] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 18:16 |
Jim Bounds
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Friend, if you own a GMC in Norway--- what do you think it will cost to maintain that thing? I'm really sorry but we have no control over the government or VAT. We are trying to support the comunity-- what and I say-- you are out of pocket.
Do what you have to do but understand, without us trying to keep the parts alive-- brother you have nothing AND no one really knows what it is you have. Kinda sucks be we never told you to buy a machine like this when you are there....
Jim Bounds
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From: Espen Heitmann <bimet@online.no>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New Axle
Dan I will give you an example why I hunt parts and prices.
Let's say you buy a part for $ 100, it has a $ 100 core charge and the shipping is $ 20, you send the core back for $ 20 and get $ 100 back, total with shipping add up to $ 140
So far everything is good right ?
Then we put you in my shoes, same part $ 100 and the $ 100 core charge + the shipping to your forwarder $ 20, then your forwarder charges you $ 100 to get the part over the pond, when it is there you will have to add 25% VAT of the total with shipping, lets see.. that is 100+100+20+100 = 320 + 25% = $ 400
Not done yet.. Then you have to add $ 50 for inland freight so your total will be $ 450
And sure I can get the core charge back, but the return shipping is $ 150, not a good deal is it ? so you put the old part on the shelf and you hope you can use it at a later time.
So after doing that a couple of times you will go to Ebay or whatever and try to get that $ 80 part, and when you get it, it will look like this, Part $ 80 no core charge, inland shipping $ 20, forwarder $ 100 = $ 200 + 25% VAT = $ 250 + inland freight $ 50 gives a total of $ 300, and that $ 20 you saved on Ebay did become a total saving of $ 150
So if you where in my shoes you would pay 3 times more with a :) and sometimes you only pay twice with a :d
WD0AFQ wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:17
> Jim, I often wonder why folks come here asking where to find a part too. I am thinking maybe that is pretty much the only time some folks come here to the net, when they need something. Can't or won't do a search on their own so here they are. When folks are asking me about our GMC one of the things I tell them is that we can get any part we need. Most have trouble understanding that. My vdub and Mustang are same, any part needed is out there because of the innovative folks that hang around here. I never ask can I get this or that part, I look to see who has it. Many of those looking are certainly new folks but I see some old timers only coming here when they need a part. Nothing wrong with that, just how it is. I choose to be involved as much as possible with this group because I love the folks associated with our coaches. I choose not to be so involved with the vdub and Mustang folks for various reasons. As you know, I am an "upgrader". I want a
modern coach that just loo
ks like a 40 year old one.
> Thanks for checking in here with us as often as you can. Helps keep a few facts straight. :d
> Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Axle [message #235753 is a reply to message #235752] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 18:27 |
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Ease up a bit, Jim
This is a place for expressing opinions and Everyone has one.
Mike
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Friend, if you own a GMC in Norway--- what do you think it will cost to
> maintain that thing? I'm really sorry but we have no control over the
> government or VAT. We are trying to support the comunity-- what and I
> say-- you are out of pocket.
>
> Do what you have to do but understand, without us trying to keep the parts
> alive-- brother you have nothing AND no one really knows what it is you
> have. Kinda sucks be we never told you to buy a machine like this when you
> are there....
>
> Jim Bounds
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> From: Espen Heitmann <bimet@online.no>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New Axle
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> Dan I will give you an example why I hunt parts and prices.
>
> Let's say you buy a part for $ 100, it has a $ 100 core charge and the
> shipping is $ 20, you send the core back for $ 20 and get $ 100 back, total
> with shipping add up to $ 140
> So far everything is good right ?
>
> Then we put you in my shoes, same part $ 100 and the $ 100 core charge +
> the shipping to your forwarder $ 20, then your forwarder charges you $ 100
> to get the part over the pond, when it is there you will have to add 25%
> VAT of the total with shipping, lets see.. that is 100+100+20+100 = 320 +
> 25% = $ 400
> Not done yet.. Then you have to add $ 50 for inland freight so your total
> will be $ 450
>
> And sure I can get the core charge back, but the return shipping is $ 150,
> not a good deal is it ? so you put the old part on the shelf and you hope
> you can use it at a later time.
>
> So after doing that a couple of times you will go to Ebay or whatever and
> try to get that $ 80 part, and when you get it, it will look like this,
> Part $ 80 no core charge, inland shipping $ 20, forwarder $ 100 = $ 200 +
> 25% VAT = $ 250 + inland freight $ 50 gives a total of $ 300, and that $ 20
> you saved on Ebay did become a total saving of $ 150
>
> So if you where in my shoes you would pay 3 times more with a :) and
> sometimes you only pay twice with a :d
>
>
>
>
> WD0AFQ wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:17
> > Jim, I often wonder why folks come here asking where to find a part too.
> I am thinking maybe that is pretty much the only time some folks come here
> to the net, when they need something. Can't or won't do a search on their
> own so here they are. When folks are asking me about our GMC one of the
> things I tell them is that we can get any part we need. Most have trouble
> understanding that. My vdub and Mustang are same, any part needed is out
> there because of the innovative folks that hang around here. I never ask
> can I get this or that part, I look to see who has it. Many of those
> looking are certainly new folks but I see some old timers only coming here
> when they need a part. Nothing wrong with that, just how it is. I choose to
> be involved as much as possible with this group because I love the folks
> associated with our coaches. I choose not to be so involved with the vdub
> and Mustang folks for various reasons. As you know, I am an "upgrader". I
> want a
> modern coach that just loo
> ks like a 40 year old one.
> > Thanks for checking in here with us as often as you can. Helps keep a
> few facts straight. :d
> > Dan
>
>
> --
> 1973 26' Parrot green Seqouia in Norway
> "Loffen" translates to white bread, it is also a nick name for your.. well
> you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but hey you can also call
> me Espen ;)
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Axle [message #235755 is a reply to message #235752] |
Fri, 10 January 2014 18:52 |
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Well some say we Norwegians are more American than Americans..
And I have been working on US cars since I was 15 years old, kind of used to it.. and we usually make more money than you guys even if the living costs here are much higher than in the US.
I understand that it is important to support the community and I do that to, I have bought items for my GMC from several suppliers within the community.
However I can also be really cheap, espescally when I get the feeling that some suppliers take advantages of the community just becouse there is a community and it should have support.
I really have no problem comparing prices, I think everybody should do that, even if it is a small community there is a limit for the "support" I am going to pay.
| Jim Bounds wrote on Sat, 11 January 2014 01:16 |
Friend, if you own a GMC in Norway--- what do you think it will cost to maintain that thing? I'm really sorry but we have no control over the government or VAT. We are trying to support the comunity-- what and I say-- you are out of pocket.
Do what you have to do but understand, without us trying to keep the parts alive-- brother you have nothing AND no one really knows what it is you have. Kinda sucks be we never told you to buy a machine like this when you are there....
Jim Bounds
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From: Espen Heitmann <bimet@online.no>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New Axle
Dan I will give you an example why I hunt parts and prices.
Let's say you buy a part for $ 100, it has a $ 100 core charge and the shipping is $ 20, you send the core back for $ 20 and get $ 100 back, total with shipping add up to $ 140
So far everything is good right ?
Then we put you in my shoes, same part $ 100 and the $ 100 core charge + the shipping to your forwarder $ 20, then your forwarder charges you $ 100 to get the part over the pond, when it is there you will have to add 25% VAT of the total with shipping, lets see.. that is 100+100+20+100 = 320 + 25% = $ 400
Not done yet.. Then you have to add $ 50 for inland freight so your total will be $ 450
And sure I can get the core charge back, but the return shipping is $ 150, not a good deal is it ? so you put the old part on the shelf and you hope you can use it at a later time.
So after doing that a couple of times you will go to Ebay or whatever and try to get that $ 80 part, and when you get it, it will look like this, Part $ 80 no core charge, inland shipping $ 20, forwarder $ 100 = $ 200 + 25% VAT = $ 250 + inland freight $ 50 gives a total of $ 300, and that $ 20 you saved on Ebay did become a total saving of $ 150
So if you where in my shoes you would pay 3 times more with a and sometimes you only pay twice with a
WD0AFQ wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:17
> Jim, I often wonder why folks come here asking where to find a part too. I am thinking maybe that is pretty much the only time some folks come here to the net, when they need something. Can't or won't do a search on their own so here they are. When folks are asking me about our GMC one of the things I tell them is that we can get any part we need. Most have trouble understanding that. My vdub and Mustang are same, any part needed is out there because of the innovative folks that hang around here. I never ask can I get this or that part, I look to see who has it. Many of those looking are certainly new folks but I see some old timers only coming here when they need a part. Nothing wrong with that, just how it is. I choose to be involved as much as possible with this group because I love the folks associated with our coaches. I choose not to be so involved with the vdub and Mustang folks for various reasons. As you know, I am an "upgrader". I want a
modern coach that just loo
ks like a 40 year old one.
> Thanks for checking in here with us as often as you can. Helps keep a few facts straight.
> Dan
--
1973 26' Parrot green Seqouia in Norway
"Loffen" translates to white bread, it is also a nick name for your.. well you know..down there.. and it was my dog's name, but hey you can also call me Espen 
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Axle [message #235779 is a reply to message #235768] |
Sat, 11 January 2014 00:32 |
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Espen,
We usually negotiate with people overseas and cut the core charge down .
Contact us to see what Nick and I can do to help.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Loffen, I see you here often. I don't think you quite fit the description
> I was talking about. You have information to offer the rest of us and you
> do. Some just jump in here once every 3-4 months wanting us to find them a
> cheap part. We never hear back from them til they need something else. Same
> can be said about some of us when we travel and have trouble on the road.
> We jump on here seeking help but never come back to let us know how it
> turned out. AND that is ok, we will look for parts for you and find you a
> wrecker when you need one.
> Just how we are.
> Life is good.
> Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Axle [message #235783 is a reply to message #235779] |
Sat, 11 January 2014 05:13 |
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I will Jimk
I did receive my order from you not so long ago and you guys did treat me more than fair so no problem there
| jimk wrote on Sat, 11 January 2014 07:32 |
Espen,
We usually negotiate with people overseas and cut the core charge down .
Contact us to see what Nick and I can do to help.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Loffen, I see you here often. I don't think you quite fit the description
> I was talking about. You have information to offer the rest of us and you
> do. Some just jump in here once every 3-4 months wanting us to find them a
> cheap part. We never hear back from them til they need something else. Same
> can be said about some of us when we travel and have trouble on the road.
> We jump on here seeking help but never come back to let us know how it
> turned out. AND that is ok, we will look for parts for you and find you a
> wrecker when you need one.
> Just how we are.
> Life is good.
> Dan
> --
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> Dexter, Mo.
>
> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
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